can spending one focus trigger TWO things?

By Wayne Argabright, in X-Wing Rules Questions

like spending a single focus to fire a Blaster turret AND perform "Calculation"? Just wondering.. Thanks...

Nope, each of those would separately require 1 focus each to activate.

It would be like trying to buy two things that each cost $1 and you only have 1 dollar. :)

Edited by Cptnhalfbeard

thanks. figured that was the case..

The answer to the question you asked in the post title is actually yes: if you had two different abilities that both said "When you spend a focus token…", then spending a focus token would trigger both of those effects.

But as Cptnhalfbeard says, two effects that say "You may/must spend a focus token to…" can't be combined that way.

Vorpal Sword is bringing up a good point.

If something requires you to spend a Focus token to use it then you need to spend that token for each thing.

If something just happens when you do something then doing that something could trigger multiple things.

An example of that last one would be if you have the (mis)fortune of having TWO Blinded Pilot damage cards on the same ship. Each card triggers "the next time you attack" and then is flipped face-down; you do not need to attack for each card as attacking is not the cost for flipping the card face down. Getting two Damage Cockpit cards in the same round would work the same way.

Examples of the first would be something like having two Console Fires. You'll suffer the effects from both but each of them requires its own action to flip face-down.

The question boils down to timing.

In order to perform an attack with the blaster turret you need to spend a focus token - it's a condition of making the attack.

That happens right after you have checked range and arc to confirm its a legal shot, but before you've rolled any dice.

Calculation does not trigger until step 3 of the attack phase - Modify Dice - by then your focus token is long gone.

See pages 10-13 of the core rules for the specific timing during attacks

The question boils down to timing.

In order to perform an attack with the blaster turret you need to spend a focus token - it's a condition of making the attack.

That happens right after you have checked range and arc to confirm its a legal shot, but before you've rolled any dice.

Calculation does not trigger until step 3 of the attack phase - Modify Dice - by then your focus token is long gone.

See pages 10-13 of the core rules for the specific timing during attacks

It's not really a question of timing though, it's really a case of 2 things that both require you to spend a focus token.

If you look at the 2 following things:

  • Spending a focus token normally to flip all eyeballs to hits
  • Spending a focus token to use Calculation to flip one eyeball to a crit

In this case, both happen at the same time, but you need to spend 2 focus tokens if you want to do both.

Here's a nice analogy:

  • I have 1$ to spend on my AirMiles credit card
  • I go to Kwik-E-Mart and see 2 items for sale:
    • A chocolate bar that costs 1$
    • A bag of party balloons that costs 1$
  • I can (obviously) only buy one of the 2 items, since I only have 1$
  • I decide to buy the chocolate bar
  • When I pay my dollar to buy my chocolate bar, 2 things happen:
    • I get some AirMiles (Sunny beaches, here I come!)
    • I get a hug from Apu!

In this analogy, the cards would read:

  • Chocolat Bar: Spend 1 focus token to satisfy your hunger.
  • Bag of Chips: Spend 1 focus token to get your party on.
  • AirMiles : When you spend a focus token, you may place 1 AirMile token on this card.
  • Apu Nahasapeemapetilon : When you spend a focus token, you feel warm and fuzzy inside.

The question boils down to timing.

In order to perform an attack with the blaster turret you need to spend a focus token - it's a condition of making the attack.

That happens right after you have checked range and arc to confirm its a legal shot, but before you've rolled any dice.

Calculation does not trigger until step 3 of the attack phase - Modify Dice - by then your focus token is long gone.

See pages 10-13 of the core rules for the specific timing during attacks

It's not really a question of timing though, it's really a case of 2 things that both require you to spend a focus token.

If you look at the 2 following things:

  • Spending a focus token normally to flip all eyeballs to hits
  • Spending a focus token to use Calculation to flip one eyeball to a crit

In this case, both happen at the same time, but you need to spend 2 focus tokens if you want to do both.

Here's a nice analogy:

  • I have 1$ to spend on my AirMiles credit card
  • I go to Kwik-E-Mart and see 2 items for sale:
    • A chocolate bar that costs 1$
    • A bag of party balloons that costs 1$
  • I can (obviously) only buy one of the 2 items, since I only have 1$
  • I decide to buy the chocolate bar
  • When I pay my dollar to buy my chocolate bar, 2 things happen:
    • I get some AirMiles (Sunny beaches, here I come!)
    • I get a hug from Apu!

In this analogy, the cards would read:

  • Chocolat Bar: Spend 1 focus token to satisfy your hunger.
  • Bag of Chips: Spend 1 focus token to get your party on.
  • AirMiles : When you spend a focus token, you may place 1 AirMile token on this card.
  • Apu Nahasapeemapetilon : When you spend a focus token, you feel warm and fuzzy inside.

I meant in terms of the OP's question specifically - spending the focus to fire the Blaster turret and spending a focus to activate calculation happen at different times during the combat phase - so even if you could trigger 2 effects from spending a focus, you can't trigger effects outside their usual timing phase.

So it's about timing

I meant in terms of the OP's question specifically - spending the focus to fire the Blaster turret and spending a focus to activate calculation happen at different times during the combat phase - so even if you could trigger 2 effects from spending a focus, you can't trigger effects outside their usual timing phase.

So it's about timing

Oh, I understood what you meant. I just don't think it's the right way to explain it since, even if you remove the timing issue, you still can't trigger 2 effects by spending a single focus.

IMO, saying it's because of the timing issue can lead to confusion down the road : "Well, I couldn't do those 2 things with 1 token since they didn't trigger at the same time, but these 2 effects don't have the timing problem! I should be able to spend 1 token to trigger both, right?"

It's like saying you can't spend a single dollar to buy a cookie from Walmart for 1$ and french fries from McDonalds for 1$, since they're not at the same store. I mean, of course, they aren't at the same store so you can't buy them at the same time... but even if McDonalds sold the cookie you want, you still couldn't buy both things with your single dollar.

Kavil with a Blaster Turret and the R4 Agromech work together.

Spend your Focus to activate the Blaster Turret

R4 then activates from the "... After you spend a Focus" so you end up with a TL on your target before you roll your attack dice.

The question boils down to timing.

In order to perform an attack with the blaster turret you need to spend a focus token - it's a condition of making the attack.

That happens right after you have checked range and arc to confirm its a legal shot, but before you've rolled any dice.

Calculation does not trigger until step 3 of the attack phase - Modify Dice - by then your focus token is long gone.

See pages 10-13 of the core rules for the specific timing during attacks

It's not really a question of timing though, it's really a case of 2 things that both require you to spend a focus token.

If you look at the 2 following things:

  • Spending a focus token normally to flip all eyeballs to hits
  • Spending a focus token to use Calculation to flip one eyeball to a crit

In this case, both happen at the same time, but you need to spend 2 focus tokens if you want to do both.

Here's a nice analogy:

  • I have 1$ to spend on my AirMiles credit card
  • I go to Kwik-E-Mart and see 2 items for sale:
    • A chocolate bar that costs 1$
    • A bag of party balloons that costs 1$
  • I can (obviously) only buy one of the 2 items, since I only have 1$
  • I decide to buy the chocolate bar
  • When I pay my dollar to buy my chocolate bar, 2 things happen:
    • I get some AirMiles (Sunny beaches, here I come!)
    • I get a hug from Apu!

In this analogy, the cards would read:

  • Chocolat Bar: Spend 1 focus token to satisfy your hunger.
  • Bag of Chips: Spend 1 focus token to get your party on.
  • AirMiles : When you spend a focus token, you may place 1 AirMile token on this card.
  • Apu Nahasapeemapetilon : When you spend a focus token, you feel warm and fuzzy inside.

I love your example