The Jedi and the Sith are not very sleuthy, are they?

How many years does Yoda have council meetings in the same room as Palpatine, none the wiser?

Luke Skywalker was raised by his aunt and uncle. He had the name Skywalker, but his uncle had the name Owen and his aunt's maiden name was Whitesun. How does that not raise a red flag? And Obi-Wan is just living on the other side of the hill?

Maybe the Emperor knew he would attempt to enroll in the academy, and would then turn him to their side without a fight.

The Jedi and the Sith are not very sleuthy, are they?

How many years does Yoda have council meetings in the same room as Palpatine, none the wiser?

Luke Skywalker was raised by his aunt and uncle. He had the name Skywalker, but his uncle had the name Owen and his aunt's maiden name was Whitesun. How does that not raise a red flag? And Obi-Wan is just living on the other side of the hill?

Skywalker was said at some point to be a fairly common name on Tattooine. Not sure if that was in-canon.

The Sith, particularly Palpatine, were very good at clouding the force. They wouldn't have gotten anywhere near to creating the Empire without this ability.

Obi-Wan was keeping a low profile. Even though he was known to a few locals, his name didn't go far, I think. He really should have used a pseudonym for his last name as well, though.

Maybe Kenobi was a common name too. Or maybe he figured that being taken for a crazy old hermit people would assume he WAS crazy and that he thought he was a famous Jedi knight when he was just a crazy Coot. It's not like a lot of people in the Outer Rim cared about the Jedi or even met too many before the Clone Wars. When the Empire came to the worlds formerly held by the Hutts (like Tatooine) the word of the Jedi 'Insurection' and subsequent purge would have put the idea in people's heads that the Jedi were just no good stuck up power hungry jerks anyway. Anyone 'pretending' to be one would have to be crazy.

Skywalker is a common enough name on this planet, at least in certain Native American tribes.

You know, when Vader caught Leia trying to get to Tatooine with he stolen plans, he must have known something was up. He had to know Bail Organa was a friend to the Jedi back in the Clone Wars and that he had sympathy for he Rebellion. If Leia was going to a super remote planet that just happened to be Vader's home world, and the only place in the universe he still had family, Vader had to assume there was a rebel contact on the planet, and that they possibly had ties to any remaining Jedi. Kenobi knew Vader was from that world, and that Vader would most likely never think to revisit it after Anakin's 'death'.

Surely Vader put all the pieces together after he met Kenobi on the Death Star and that the pilot strong in the force in the trench may have been trained by Kenobi on Tatooine. Kenobi showing up after a ship from Mos Eisley ends up in the Alderaan system and is brought on board the Death Star meant that Kenobi was defiantly on Tatooine and that Leia was trying to get to him. And of course when Luke became totally famous and a galactic hero Vader knew it had to have been his son who Kenobi took to the old home-world and most likely had Luke raised by his actual family. Vader probably knew right after Yavin, and he definately told the Emperor sometime in the next three years. But I wonder if Vader tried to keep it a secret. He had to know Palpatine lied to him. He openly conspires to overthrow him when talking to Luke. Maybe he told palpy right after the battle, or maybe he just held on to that bit of info for a while till the time was right to ask for a huge task force to hunt for Luke's band of rebels personally.

Whew!

But we don't know when or if Palpy knew of Luke's existence prior to Vader learning of him. But if Ol Sheev knew of Kenobi I'm sure he would have tried to capture him to get to Yoda. After all Yoda almost succeeded in assassinating Palpatine before, and that dude can hold a grudge for a long time.

Oh and the Academy Luke wanted to attend wasn't just some TIE fighter pilot training school. It was an civilian institution where cadets get an education and may become pilots that are placed in jobs ranging from freighter captains to fighter pilots in local militias or system defense forces. It was basically the only way for young folks to get off world in the outer rim and do something besides herding nerfs or joining the criminal underworld.

You know, when Vader caught Leia trying to get to Tatooine with he stolen plans, he must have known something was up. He had to know Bail Organa was a friend to the Jedi back in the Clone Wars and that he had sympathy for he Rebellion. If Leia was going to a super remote planet that just happened to be Vader's home world, and the only place in the universe he still had family, Vader had to assume there was a rebel contact on the planet, and that they possibly had ties to any remaining Jedi. Kenobi knew Vader was from that world, and that Vader would most likely never think to revisit it after Anakin's 'death'.

Surely Vader put all the pieces together after he met Kenobi on the Death Star and that the pilot strong in the force in the trench may have been trained by Kenobi on Tatooine. Kenobi showing up after a ship from Mos Eisley ends up in the Alderaan system and is brought on board the Death Star meant that Kenobi was defiantly on Tatooine and that Leia was trying to get to him. And of course when Luke became totally famous and a galactic hero Vader knew it had to have been his son who Kenobi took to the old home-world and most likely had Luke raised by his actual family. Vader probably knew right after Yavin, and he definately told the Emperor sometime in the next three years. But I wonder if Vader tried to keep it a secret. He had to know Palpatine lied to him. He openly conspires to overthrow him when talking to Luke. Maybe he told palpy right after the battle, or maybe he just held on to that bit of info for a while till the time was right to ask for a huge task force to hunt for Luke's band of rebels personally.

Whew!

But we don't know when or if Palpy knew of Luke's existence prior to Vader learning of him. But if Ol Sheev knew of Kenobi I'm sure he would have tried to capture him to get to Yoda. After all Yoda almost succeeded in assassinating Palpatine before, and that dude can hold a grudge for a long time.

Oh and the Academy Luke wanted to attend wasn't just some TIE fighter pilot training school. It was an civilian institution where cadets get an education and may become pilots that are placed in jobs ranging from freighter captains to fighter pilots in local militias or system defense forces. It was basically the only way for young folks to get off world in the outer rim and do something besides herding nerfs or joining the criminal underworld.

You obviously haven't been reading the Dartg Vader comics. Which you should be.

One small point: Tatooine is run by Jabba the Hutt as part of the Hutt cartel. Minimal to no Imperial presence.

Surely Vader put all the pieces together after he met Kenobi on the Death Star

I think his conclusion was simply that Kenobi had decided to hide in the last place he thought Anakin would look for him.

Also this.

I mean, it isn't like Vader was actively looking for a kid. He thought they died with Padme.

I guess I should give Marvel Star Wars comics a go again. It's been almost 30 years, and I keep hearing how good they are. Spending 3 or 4 bucks an issue still makes me cringe, though. I'm so old!

I guess I should give Marvel Star Wars comics a go again. It's been almost 30 years, and I keep hearing how good they are.

Well, yeah, the ones from 30 years ago aren't even in the same continuity anymore.

The new ones that just started this year are all supposedly canon to the films.

Surely Vader put all the pieces together after he met Kenobi on the Death Star and that the pilot strong in the force in the trench may have been trained by Kenobi on Tatooine. Kenobi showing up after a ship from Mos Eisley ends up in the Alderaan system and is brought on board the Death Star meant that Kenobi was defiantly on Tatooine and that Leia was trying to get to him. And of course when Luke became totally famous and a galactic hero Vader knew it had to have been his son who Kenobi took to the old home-world and most likely had Luke raised by his actual family. Vader probably knew right after Yavin, and he definately told the Emperor sometime in the next three years. But I wonder if Vader tried to keep it a secret. He had to know Palpatine lied to him. He openly conspires to overthrow him when talking to Luke. Maybe he told palpy right after the battle, or maybe he just held on to that bit of info for a while till the time was right to ask for a huge task force to hunt for Luke's band of rebels personally.

Or by the time Episode IV was shot, nothing of that actually mattered because:

- Vader wasn't Luke's father.

- Tatooine wasn't Vader's home planet.

- There was no blood relation between Leia and Luke.

etc.

The initial story for The Star Wars was completely different to what we got to see in 1977. Marcia Lucas completely rewrote the script to allow it to be shot with the budget they had. Probably improving the quality of the dialogs from George's original.

The character backgrounds were, again, rewritten for Episode V, making them closer to their definitive lore we consider canon today, after the suggestion by scriptwriter Lawrence Kasdan. This change was made on the fly during the shooting, and in postproduction, to the point that even director Irvin Kershner, was shocked of the change. Even by this time, Leia wasn't still Luke's sister. The "other" that Yoda mentioned wasn't obviously her, or Kenobi's dialog with Yoda couldn't have seriously made any sense.

And so on and on.

Really, Lucas doesn't call StarWars space opera for no reason. He always saw Star Wars as a soap opera in space, with cliffhangers at the end of every episode, and silly revelations of secret parenthoods and dark pasts made up on the fly to keep the interest going.

What I like from Star Wars most, the space battles and some of the EU characters adventures, were written by people with better talent and love for Star Wars than Lucas himself. In my opinion, the whole Skywalker storyline isn't the best of Star Wars.

Surely Vader put all the pieces together after he met Kenobi on the Death Star and that the pilot strong in the force in the trench may have been trained by Kenobi on Tatooine. Kenobi showing up after a ship from Mos Eisley ends up in the Alderaan system and is brought on board the Death Star meant that Kenobi was defiantly on Tatooine and that Leia was trying to get to him. And of course when Luke became totally famous and a galactic hero Vader knew it had to have been his son who Kenobi took to the old home-world and most likely had Luke raised by his actual family. Vader probably knew right after Yavin, and he definately told the Emperor sometime in the next three years. But I wonder if Vader tried to keep it a secret. He had to know Palpatine lied to him. He openly conspires to overthrow him when talking to Luke. Maybe he told palpy right after the battle, or maybe he just held on to that bit of info for a while till the time was right to ask for a huge task force to hunt for Luke's band of rebels personally.

Or by the time Episode IV was shot, nothing of that actually mattered because:

- Vader wasn't Luke's father.

- Tatooine wasn't Vader's home planet.

- There was no blood relation between Leia and Luke.

etc.

The initial story for The Star Wars was completely different to what we got to see in 1977. Marcia Lucas completely rewrote the script to allow it to be shot with the budget they had. Probably improving the quality of the dialogs from George's original.

The character backgrounds were, again, rewritten for Episode V, making them closer to their definitive lore we consider canon today, after the suggestion by scriptwriter Lawrence Kasdan. This change was made on the fly during the shooting, and in postproduction, to the point that even director Irvin Kershner, was shocked of the change. Even by this time, Leia wasn't still Luke's sister. The "other" that Yoda mentioned wasn't obviously her, or Kenobi's dialog with Yoda couldn't have seriously made any sense.

And so on and on.

Really, Lucas doesn't call StarWars space opera for no reason. He always saw Star Wars as a soap opera in space, with cliffhangers at the end of every episode, and silly revelations of secret parenthoods and dark pasts made up on the fly to keep the interest going.

What I like from Star Wars most, the space battles and some of the EU characters adventures, were written by people with better talent and love for Star Wars than Lucas himself. In my opinion, the whole Skywalker storyline isn't the best of Star Wars.

Of course Lucas didn't have a big plan. Any cursory reading of his story treatments and scripts for The Star Wars would show that he threw every idea he ever had or saw onto paper, and it took a massive job to get a workable script out of that, and even then it took Leigh Bracken, Maria, and many others including actors like Ford ad libbing to make Star Wars (before it was ANH) the movie that it was. Lucas might be a visionary and have a great passion for film making, but he is a rubbish writer and mediocre director. He makes a much better producer usually.

Yeah, Luke and Leia were different ages in the shooting script, of course they couldn't be twin siblings. And Vader was just another bad guy, the Dragon to Tarkins Big Bad. The great thing is that Star Wars laid a great groundwork for sequels, and ESB cashed in on the richness and promise of the Galaxy Far Far Away by changing the nature of the relationships that were loosely established from the first film. Vader's bombshell he laid on Luke had people thinking Vader must be lying, because Vader was a big jerk and a bad guy. But looking back at the first movie nothing really contradicted it because of Sir Alec Guiness' excellent portrayal of Kenobi (that look he has when asked about Lukes dad tells you he's gonna say something that's not exactly the whole truth). It was a rewriting, but a very appropriate one that left the audience wanting to know what was really going on.

Unfortunately ROTJ had the dumbest changes to the characters as well as a recycling of locations (Tatooine and the Death Star, and cameo for dagobah) and situations from the first movie. Frankly it felt like both ROTJ and Phantom Menace were Lucas' attempt to remake his original Star Wars with elements he couldn't include the first time, such as less advanced aliens fighting technological bad guys and star fighters going against huge ships or battle stations. But then many many Star Wars nerds know these facts or hold these opinions so this is nothing new.

I still fell ripped off just like when I was seven years old and watched Jedi at the premiere and Luke had to say those super awkward lines to Leia about being his sister. I mean really? Did it even matter? Other than giving Vader extra fuel to prod Luke in their Duel the 'surprise' revelation just came off as really lame. All the sudden it seemed everyone in the Galaxy was related. Space balls said it best in their spoof of Lonstar and Darkhelmet during their duel.

Sorry for the long posts, I've probably been ninja'd already too

I guess I should give Marvel Star Wars comics a go again. It's been almost 30 years, and I keep hearing how good they are. Spending 3 or 4 bucks an issue still makes me cringe, though. I'm so old!

Marvel Unlimited is like 10/month and from what I've read online does include Star Wars titles..

I haven't jumped on board yet, so I don't know how complete the Star Wars library is there. But beats 3-4$ per issue (but MU doesn't add new issues until they've been in stores for 6 months)

I guess I should give Marvel Star Wars comics a go again. It's been almost 30 years, and I keep hearing how good they are. Spending 3 or 4 bucks an issue still makes me cringe, though. I'm so old!

Marvel Unlimited is like 10/month and from what I've read online does include Star Wars titles..

I haven't jumped on board yet, so I don't know how complete the Star Wars library is there. But beats 3-4$ per issue (but MU doesn't add new issues until they've been in stores for 6 months)

I tried Marvel Online but it did not includ the new Star Wars canon titles. It includes a large number of the Star Wars Legends titles, though.

I guess I should give Marvel Star Wars comics a go again. It's been almost 30 years, and I keep hearing how good they are. Spending 3 or 4 bucks an issue still makes me cringe, though. I'm so old!

Marvel Unlimited is like 10/month and from what I've read online does include Star Wars titles..

I haven't jumped on board yet, so I don't know how complete the Star Wars library is there. But beats 3-4$ per issue (but MU doesn't add new issues until they've been in stores for 6 months)

I tried Marvel Online but it did not includ the new Star Wars canon titles. It includes a large number of the Star Wars Legends titles, though.

Good to know... and a bummer.

I tried Marvel Online but it did not includ the new Star Wars canon titles. It includes a large number of the Star Wars Legends titles, though.

Well, if Marvel Online only includes books that are at least 6 months old, then none of the new Star Wars books would be on it yet. As they all just started this year.

I tried Marvel Online but it did not includ the new Star Wars canon titles. It includes a large number of the Star Wars Legends titles, though.

Well, if Marvel Online only includes books that are at least 6 months old, then none of the new Star Wars books would be on it yet. As they all just started this year.

That's fair. I specifically brought it up because people were talking about the new Vader comic series.

I'll be waiting for the trade bindings of all these new comic series