I'm considering a ground-up kit bash. Not sure if I want to go by the EU text or just do something of my own. I could definitely see potential in a ship that shows its Koensayr Y-wing roots, but which is designed as an ordnance platform.

I wonder if lengthening and beefing up the connector between the wings and pilot compartment would help or make it worse? Or conversely, eliminating the bridge all together.

I wonder if lengthening and beefing up the connector between the wings and pilot compartment would help or make it worse? Or conversely, eliminating the bridge all together.

I was thinking the same thing.

It looks pretty good when made in LEGO.

Even if you expect the K-wing to have an escort, you don't give it guns that don't do a good job of protecting it, that doesn't make sense.

So I guess all those planes with fixed forward cannons are just useless, then. Ok. That makes sense since, as we all know, strike missions are always flown with a single ship...

Yes. The K is ugly as butts.

Move on, people. How is this worth your time??

If you knew anything about strike missions, you'd know that aircraft with fixed forward-firing guns are using maneuvering to defend themselves, something the K-wing is not very good at (otherwise, why would it have turrets?). Even planes which are attack dedicated like the A-10 are trained to use not only the gun in an air to air role, but also have sidewinder missiles as part of standard strike packages for self-defense. You don't send planes into a fight without self-defense capabilities. Planes like tankers and AWACS are always kept well back from the action, sometimes in the airspace of another country. Every plane that is sent forward into "Indian country" is equipped in a way that enables it to defend itself. It may not always be successful in defending itself, and the odds may be against it, but you don't send pilots into harm's way reliant solely on escorts. And before somebody mentions recon planes, their speed and altitude capabilities were considered to be their defensive armament.

Yes but this a sci-fi universe and a game. The cool factor trumps all. This game isn't the Arma 3 version of space dogfighting simulations. The stuff doesn't have to make sense.

I get that, I just didn't like the snarky post, so I replied with overwhelming logic. It's my thing.

I mean, in the Galaxy of Star Wars the common alphabet is the Aurebesh, not our western modern alphabet. Why that fighter names?

Mind. Blown.

Do we ever seen the western alphabet in the movies?!?!

The western alphabet is called basic, which is the Galaxy-wide language.

Time to start pilot speculation, Miranda Doni is the only one I could find on Wookiepedia, but I am sure I can find a few more candidates from the Black Fleet Trilogy, unless FFG uses someone else with a more recognizable name even if they didn't fly the ship (or if K-wings appeared in the comics)

Sorry, guys, but space is no defense for a turret aimed at your own engine.

Yeah, dumb. It would be like having a turret that could shoot your own radar dish. No ships like that in the Star Wars universe.

Sorry, guys, but space is no defense for a turret aimed at your own engine.

Yeah, dumb. It would be like having a turret that could shoot your own radar dish. No ships like that in the Star Wars universe.

Sorry, I've clearly lost my objectivity here. Should probably go grade papers and get away from the keyboard.

Sorry, guys, but space is no defense for a turret aimed at your own engine.

Yeah, dumb. It would be like having a turret that could shoot your own radar dish. No ships like that in the Star Wars universe.

Or wings that would restrict your entry of most hangar bays. God, who'd ever design something like that? It'd be so stupid.

Sorry, guys, but space is no defense for a turret aimed at your own engine.

Yeah, dumb. It would be like having a turret that could shoot your own radar dish. No ships like that in the Star Wars universe.

Just about any turreted ship can shoot itself, the problem the K-wing has is that the engine blocks so much of its view and that it blocks its rear view. The thing about the Falcon's turret is that it's covering a dome and the radar dish only blocks a small part of that. Given the point of the turret on the K-wing is getting ships off your tail putting an engine in the perfect position for a TIE to hide behind isn't the brightest move. I suspect the K-wing will fall victim to many Exacto knifes as did the E-wing's top gun (the one that conveniently traps the pilot in the cockpit.)

Or wings that would restrict your entry of most hangar bays. God, who'd ever design something like that? It'd be so stupid.

Can't say I know that one. If it's the TIE, new canon lets them land on their wings Battlefront style.

but it has a bottom turret with like full range guys

Bottom one looks like it's locked to the forward 180.

Sorry, guys, but space is no defense for a turret aimed at your own engine.

Yeah, dumb. It would be like having a turret that could shoot your own radar dish. No ships like that in the Star Wars universe.

Sorry, I've clearly lost my objectivity here. Should probably go grade papers and get away from the keyboard.

Individual negativity is often responded by more, collective negativity on any kind of forum, online or in person. I understand your disdain for the K-Wing, I hate it too, however I try to make light of my disdain for it through comedy or really, super-sarcastic posts about its design flaws rather than trying to apply real-world logic to it. We can certainly dismiss the real-world logic because of Star Wars logic trumping everything within the bounds of the Star Wars universe. Should it disqualify your arguments or opinions of the K-Wing? In the real world, no, because pretty much everything in Star Wars has no real-world applicable logic to their designs. However, there is nothing wrong with that here, a discussion about Star Wars and coolness.

What makes the K-Wing cool? Bombs! Wings! More bombs and more wings! Does it need to make sense? No! Because bombs and wings and engines and turrets! But the turrets are pointing at its engine? But it's a turret! And we need more turrets! So lets put a turret there! Ugly as sin, but here we are. Still cool enough to be a bomber. Still cool enough to be in Star Wars. Still cool enough for Star Wars fans to defend it despite trying to apply real-world logic to its design. After seeing more up-close and higher quality pictures of the K-Wing, I have crazy amounts of respect for the modelers/sculptors and FFG for being able to pull it off. Even WonderWAAAGH vouched for the model's impressive presentation.

I enjoy your posts for the most part, Nightshrike, but I hate seeing you shoot yourself in the foot over your hatred for the K-Wing.

I enjoy your posts for the most part, Nightshrike, but I hate seeing you shoot yourself in the foot over your hatred for the K-Wing.

I don't normally say negative things on this forum, but it's hard to encapsulate the disbelief/disappointment I felt seeing the release pics. I was floored by what they decided to do. I also knew that expressing that disappointment would result in the ire of fanboys, who seem to not be able to criticize decisions that are made by people working for companies they buy things from, or pictures of ships made by comic book artists. That's okay. I was expecting that.

My real issue though is, aside from the stuff regarding the K-Wing, I'm getting awfully tired of the drive-by sarcasm on this forum. It's getting harder not to reply to it in kind, which is almost always the wrong decision. That's why I edited my post. My initial response was to reply in kind, and I had to rein it in.

I stand by everything I've said about the K-Wing though. It's ugly and ridiculous. FFG's modelers may be incredibly talented, I have no doubt that they are, I love the models I've spent my hard-earned money on, but at the end of the day, a polished turd is still a turd.

Look at it this way: You dislike it and won't get it. Others will like it and get it. And in the grand scheme of things, someone out there is happy and you don't have to deal with it. Everyone wins.

Look at it this way: You dislike it and won't get it. Others will like it and get it. And in the grand scheme of things, someone out there is happy and you don't have to deal with it. Everyone wins.

More like some people win and I don't lose, but I cede the point.

I enjoy your posts for the most part, Nightshrike, but I hate seeing you shoot yourself in the foot over your hatred for the K-Wing.

I don't normally say negative things on this forum, but it's hard to encapsulate the disbelief/disappointment I felt seeing the release pics. I was floored by what they decided to do. I also knew that expressing that disappointment would result in the ire of fanboys, who seem to not be able to criticize decisions that are made by people working for companies they buy things from, or pictures of ships made by comic book artists. That's okay. I was expecting that.

My real issue though is, aside from the stuff regarding the K-Wing, I'm getting awfully tired of the drive-by sarcasm on this forum. It's getting harder not to reply to it in kind, which is almost always the wrong decision. That's why I edited my post. My initial response was to reply in kind, and I had to rein it in.

I stand by everything I've said about the K-Wing though. It's ugly and ridiculous. FFG's modelers may be incredibly talented, I have no doubt that they are, I love the models I've spent my hard-earned money on, but at the end of the day, a polished turd is still a turd.

If you like X-Wing for the game, then there is almost no information about it to make a determination. If you want pretty little spaceships, you could buy or have made whatever you want without needing to be shackled to x-wing.

The Y-Wing is ugly. The TIE Bomber is ugly. The HWK is ugly. The VT-49 is plain looking. The B-Wing was modeled in the most un-flattering position. And I don't personally like the look of the YT-2400. They all still work in the game of X-Wing and every one has its fans. Heck, I thought the E-Wing was the dumbest looking ship ever, and now it is my favorite both in looks and to fly.

I apologize for my "drive by sarcasm", but similar to your disdain for the presence of it, I have disdain for continued presence of over-reactions to relatively minor and/or non-issues on these forums. Similar to your response to the sarcasm, it brings out the worst in me.

If you like X-Wing for the game, then there is almost no information about it to make a determination. If you want pretty little spaceships, you could buy or have made whatever you want without needing to be shackled to x-wing.

The Y-Wing is ugly. The TIE Bomber is ugly. The HWK is ugly. The VT-49 is plain looking. And I don't personally like the look of the YT-2400. They all still work in the game of X-Wing. Heck, I thought the E-Wing was the dumbest looking ship ever, and now it is my favorite both in looks and to fly.

It's not just you by any stretch of the imagination. Apology accepted. As to minor/non-issues, I think that's in the eye of the beholder. If the ships included in the game are not an issue to you, more power to you. I suspect though that there is a point/level at which they would be an issue for you too. We just have a different threshold.

Missed your edit there. Ugly is never my problem. Functional is my problem. I just hate things that look like they were cobbled together by children, which, in my opinion, the K-Wing does. I have a hard time believing people are sinking thousands of dollars into producing little models of it, and an even harder time believing they'll be able to successfully charge 15-20 dollars for it retail.

I get that the fun of the game is somewhat divorced from the identity of the ships, but in a sense it's not too. Part of the coolness of the game is the ships themselves, the Star Wars identity. Part of the fun for me is just seeing other people's repaints. Some of them are unbelievable. I think little details like that add a huge amount to the game for me as far as enjoyment goes. The converse of that, is that little details like the K-Wing being a hideous beast detract a huge amount from my enjoyment. That may not be the same for you, but I hope you'll respect my right to interact with the game differently.

I apologize for my "drive by sarcasm", but similar to your disdain for the presence of it, I have disdain for continued presence of over-reactions to relatively minor and/or non-issues on these forums. Similar to your response to the sarcasm, it brings out the worst in me.

If you like X-Wing for the game, then there is almost no information about it to make a determination. If you want pretty little spaceships, you could buy or have made whatever you want without needing to be shackled to x-wing.

The Y-Wing is ugly. The TIE Bomber is ugly. The HWK is ugly. The VT-49 is plain looking. And I don't personally like the look of the YT-2400. They all still work in the game of X-Wing. Heck, I thought the E-Wing was the dumbest looking ship ever, and now it is my favorite both in looks and to fly.

It's not just you by any stretch of the imagination. Apology accepted. As to minor/non-issues, I think that's in the eye of the beholder. If the ships included in the game are not an issue to you, more power to you. I suspect though that there is a point/level at which they would be an issue for you too. We just have a different threshold.

Missed your edit there. Ugly is never my problem. Functional is my problem. I just hate things that look like they were cobbled together by children, which, in my opinion, the K-Wing does. I have a hard time believing people are sinking thousands of dollars into producing little models of it, and an even harder time believing they'll be able to successfully charge 15-20 dollar for it retail.

I get that the fun of the game is somewhat divorced from the identity of the ships, but in a sense it's not too. Part of the coolness of the game is the ships themselves, the Star Wars identity. Part of the fun for me is just seeing other people's repaints. Some of them are unbelievable. I think little details like that add a huge amount to the game for me as far as enjoyment goes. The converse of that, is that little details like the K-Wing being a hideous beast detract a huge amount from my enjoyment. That may not be the same for you, but I hope you'll respect my right to interact with the game differently.

I just kind of look at it like this - there are only so many Star Wars ships. Eventually, FFG will probably make all of them from Civil War onward. The K-Wing was going to come, and the look and feel of it is what the look and feel of it has been since whoever dreamed up the first image of it. It was never going to be better looking than it is, and it was bound to be made now or later. The disappointment you have could have been wave 8 or 9 or 10, it just happens to be Wave 7 I guess. I suppose that is why I look at it as "minor" - the ship was going to come eventually and it looks like what the existing material says it looks like.

Sorry, guys, but space is no defense for a turret aimed at your own engine.

Yeah, dumb. It would be like having a turret that could shoot your own radar dish. No ships like that in the Star Wars universe.

Maybe it will come with an upgrade card allowing your gunner to shoot yourself.... comedy gold!