There's plenty of EU that I like, and some that I don't. Right now X-Wing does seem like it's scraping the bottom of the barrel.
But if it makes people want to play more Armada, then I won't complain.
Wave 7 X-wing put Armada on top
There are starfighters I've heard people complain about, but other than the blandness of the Carrack/Lancer/Dreadnought trio, I don't think there are any capital ships anyone would hate to see in the game (beyond those third party weirdos from the EU).
So even now we in Armada don't have the same problem the X-Wing community has. Speaking for myself I'd welcome nearly anything capital ship from the EU in Armada. From Bulwarks to CC cruisers and Action Transports. Just as long as we keep it to GCW, and the conflict is between the Empire and Rebellion.
The main problem with the TIE Punisher is that it's not the Missile Gunboat.
There's no reason why at this point they don't give us that with the K-Wing. None.
The difference I see between the 2 game systems using EU content is in X-wing you could have a game of scum syck fighters and a star viper versus a HWK with e-wings and at fist glance wouldn't be recognizable as being from the Star Wars universe. Empire (especially) and rebel fleets have distinct looks. A VSD is still recognizable as a star destroyer. Never said I was quitting X-wing, just devoting time and money more on Armada as I love the mechanics and look of the game.
Heh, just remember this when you end up seeing double Assault Frigate MkII + E-Wing/K+Wing squadrons facing off against an Aggressor-class destroyer flanked by two Broadside-class corvettes and Assault Gunboat squadrons.
The difference I see between the 2 game systems using EU content is in X-wing you could have a game of scum syck fighters and a star viper versus a HWK with e-wings and at fist glance wouldn't be recognizable as being from the Star Wars universe. Empire (especially) and rebel fleets have distinct looks. A VSD is still recognizable as a star destroyer. Never said I was quitting X-wing, just devoting time and money more on Armada as I love the mechanics and look of the game.
Heh, just remember this when you end up seeing double Assault Frigate MkII + E-Wing/K+Wing squadrons facing off against an Aggressor-class destroyer flanked by two Broadside-class corvettes and Assault Gunboat squadrons.
Super
. More Eu ships. That's much better then chromium-plated Ties.
Isn't the punisher just the interdictor from battlegrounds?
I don't think it's hacked together at all, just a rename.
If you're turned off by X-Wing's venture into the EU and that's making you lose interest in the game as a whole, I'd have to ask why you're turning to FFG's other Star Wars ship-focused miniature game. Their direction for this game is not going to be fundamentally different than it was for X-Wing - it's most likely going to be exceedingly similar. I'm not saying this to criticize you, but actually to warn against investing into Armada if your desire is to find a game that will stay away from EU and stick to iconic movie ships. There were very few capital ships in the movies and, as pointed out earlier, they started the Core set with an EU ship (The VSD) and are adding multiple EU ships with every wave (Assault MKII, Raider, etc). If anything, this game will spiral into obscure EU content much, much faster than X-Wing did.
My gripe is not that Armada is EU, I have no problem with drawing from the EU. My gripe is that right now, X-Wing is literally scraping the bottom of the barrel. They've done all of the good ships, now they're having to resort to things like bizarre hodgepodge TIE thingies and (imo) other butt ugly ships like the K-Wing. The universe only goes so far.
This may become a problem for Armada too. The first few waves seem cool, but eventually a triangle is a triangle, and let's be honest, the reason FFG created the Raider-class corvette was because the only other ship in it's size in the EU was butt ugly (And a bit phalic).
If you're turned off by X-Wing's venture into the EU and that's making you lose interest in the game as a whole, I'd have to ask why you're turning to FFG's other Star Wars ship-focused miniature game. Their direction for this game is not going to be fundamentally different than it was for X-Wing - it's most likely going to be exceedingly similar. I'm not saying this to criticize you, but actually to warn against investing into Armada if your desire is to find a game that will stay away from EU and stick to iconic movie ships. There were very few capital ships in the movies and, as pointed out earlier, they started the Core set with an EU ship (The VSD) and are adding multiple EU ships with every wave (Assault MKII, Raider, etc). If anything, this game will spiral into obscure EU content much, much faster than X-Wing did.
My gripe is not that Armada is EU, I have no problem with drawing from the EU. My gripe is that right now, X-Wing is literally scraping the bottom of the barrel. They've done all of the good ships, now they're having to resort to things like bizarre hodgepodge TIE thingies and (imo) other butt ugly ships like the K-Wing. The universe only goes so far.
This may become a problem for Armada too. The first few waves seem cool, but eventually a triangle is a triangle, and let's be honest, the reason FFG created the Raider-class corvette was because the only other ship in it's size in the EU was butt ugly (And a bit phalic).
but it wasn't a triangle 
(not to imply that I am not very thankful for the raider)
So...just saw the new wave 7 ships for x-wing. I played x-wing from the beginning and the new wave of ships pretty much helped me decide to devote my time and money to Armada. I enjoy both games but leaned more toward Armada and it's play style. X-wing is stretching too far into EU and turning me off. Probably will still buy 1 of each wave 7 ship to collect, but really losing interest in the game. Anyone else feeling this way?
I feel exactly the same way.
Will probably get 1 of each X-Wing ship going forward, but Armada is my new homeboy.
It's a filler wave. They're scraping the bottom of the EU barrel now
Except with the Tie Punisher, that's not the case by a mile, and that's what makes it truly disappointing. They had half a dozen directions they could have went: XG-1 Gunboat, Missile Boat and the Scimitar Assault Bomber all have quite the loyal fanbase.
Couldn't have pleased everyone, but it's better than pleasing no one. Was there even a target audience for the Punisher, anyone specifically hoping for it?
My gripe is that right now, X-Wing is literally scraping the bottom of the barrel.
Well no, it's not 'literally' scraping the bottom of a barrel.
I agree these new ships are horrible though.
I don't object to them releasing the of course. If they bring some people pleasure then it's a good thing. I just object to my own inability to resist buying them.
Armada will get to the same point X-wing is at. You will see the same complaints once they start releasing uninspired EU ships like the Lancer Frigate and Strike cruiser.
Couldn't have pleased everyone, but it's better than pleasing no one. Was there even a target audience for the Punisher, anyone specifically hoping for it?
Well, I believe I am not alone with thinking that as a bomber the Punisher looks much better than the Scimitar. Sure, it might be because I like the regular TIE/sa design and having a single Punisher spearhead those would look much cooler to me than the atrocity that is the Scimitar.
In my extremely subjective opinion which I am not trying to project onto anyone (durrr) even though it might be sad for die-hard Scimitar fans (sic!), Punisher's design is more in line with other imperial craft and it seems like a better option for the rest of players. I firmly believe that to people not accustomed to EU the Scimitar would stand out like a sore thumb from other imperial craft while the Punisher still looks like a TIE.
And I really can't get over how ugly that design is to me...! 
I'm a bit disappointed with X-Wing's Wave 7, but I've also been disappointed with waves 4, 5, and 6. I'm trying not to be a grouch (anymore). I still love that gave, just as I'm loving Armada.
I do think that FFG had options other than the ones they made, but I'm going to trust that their analyzes with more information was sound. Call it faith, if you will.
I agree that the day may come when Armada suffers the same fate.
But this is not that day.
;-)
. . . I want 1k point games. . . That is the great games where I can kick back slaughterr the imperials with a half dozen MC30c's, some X-Wings, B-Wings, MK2's, and a couple MC80's. . . All the while drinking some cider and having some pretzels. . . .
Armada will get to the same point X-wing is at. You will see the same complaints once they start releasing uninspired EU ships like the Lancer Frigate and Strike cruiser.
Lancer and Strike Cruiser are classic EU ships. I don't know why people don't like them. Also don't know why people like Imperial Rider. Another triangle (they should make fighter triangel) with Int's solar panels. Boring 
. But despite od this I will probably buy one of these.
Armada will get to the same point X-wing is at. You will see the same complaints once they start releasing uninspired EU ships like the Lancer Frigate and Strike cruiser.
Lancer and Strike Cruiser are classic EU ships. I don't know why people don't like them. Also don't know why people like Imperial Rider. Another triangle (they should make fighter triangel) with Int's solar panels. Boring
Well, off the top of my head there are two arguments:
- Lancer, Carrack and their likes don't follow the uniform, triangular design of Imperial warships. Sure, there were different designs in the Navy like Assassins and Nebs, but the frontline ships were all kept in the wedge-shaped style. Sure, you may point out the Dreadnaught, but let's not forget that it's pre-Empire design (and it's butt-ugly ) and that it was somewhat shoehorned. Go to google images, type "imperial fleet star wars" or "star wars empire fleet" and tell me what you see. That's the image FFG seems to follow and I second that, because uniformity is what makes the Empire - from Stormtrooper design to the various iterations of TIEs to the triangular craft.
- Those ships look terrible. It's literally a slab of metal with lowest poly count possible. Uninspired, bland design worse than vast majority of sci-fi ships. Most ships in SW either had some big idea behind them (Nebs, CR90, even AF MkII because it goes well along with other reb ships) or were symbolic (pizza slices of terror), but those? I was able to design cooler looking and more fitting vessels when I was 10.
I'm a bit disappointed with X-Wing's Wave 7, but I've also been disappointed with waves 4, 5, and 6. I'm trying not to be a grouch (anymore). I still love that gave, just as I'm loving Armada.
I do think that FFG had options other than the ones they made, but I'm going to trust that their analyzes with more information was sound. Call it faith, if you will.
I agree that the day may come when Armada suffers the same fate.
But this is not that day.
;-)
The main issue I see here is that people expected to find something for themselves in every single wave, but given that SW ships are very limited in options, sooner or later you will reach the point where there's everything, including the uglies.
If you're a fan of TIE fighters, you can already field those. Fan of X-wings? Got you covered. Fan of mixed rebel squads? You have huge choice from both the OT ships and some EU twists (E-wings). Interceptors, bombers (which are getting a cool Punisher to go along with), even a squadron of Advanced X1's will soon be possible with the Raider box.
Everyone has to understand that at some point they will already have all the stuff they wanted and there will be nothing new for them other than cards. That being said the episode VII wave can breathe new life into their squadrons, but even then after you get all the stuff you like, well, through simple logic you have to realise that all that'll be left is stuff you don't like (duh).
Armada will hit that point too, it's not a matter of if, but when. If they use up all the designs I like, there will be nothing more for me to look forward to and I accept that, because it's all finite and bound to happen at some point. Others should realize that too.
Well, from the Rebels season 2 preview it seems like the Arquitens-class is taking up the role of light cruiser in the Imperial navy (Along with the Gozanti), meaning we will probably see these in a future wave as well. I bring this up because I can belive the Arquitens could replace the Lancer as a small anti-fighter ship. The Arquitens, at least in clone wars configuration, looked like it could take on starfighters well. Didn't see the original episodes though.
Well, from the Rebels season 2 preview it seems like the Arquitens-class is taking up the role of light cruiser in the Imperial navy (Along with the Gozanti), meaning we will probably see these in a future wave as well. I bring this up because I can belive the Arquitens could replace the Lancer as a small anti-fighter ship. The Arquitens, at least in clone wars configuration, looked like it could take on starfighters well. Didn't see the original episodes though.
I always liked the design. Looks like a mix of ISD, Acclamator, Harrower's split bow and Consular-Class cruiser's triple engine aft piece. Although isn't Raider already the small anti-fighter ship in Armada?
I thought the Raider was more of a generalist. The Arquitens could be configured specifically for fighter destroying and squadron support?
Wave 7 looks awful, I give you that.
I'm a bit disappointed with X-Wing's Wave 7, but I've also been disappointed with waves 4, 5, and 6. I'm trying not to be a grouch (anymore). I still love that gave, just as I'm loving Armada.
I do think that FFG had options other than the ones they made, but I'm going to trust that their analyzes with more information was sound. Call it faith, if you will.
I agree that the day may come when Armada suffers the same fate.
But this is not that day.
;-)
The main issue I see here is that people expected to find something for themselves in every single wave, but given that SW ships are very limited in options, sooner or later you will reach the point where there's everything, including the uglies.
If you're a fan of TIE fighters, you can already field those. Fan of X-wings? Got you covered. Fan of mixed rebel squads? You have huge choice from both the OT ships and some EU twists (E-wings). Interceptors, bombers (which are getting a cool Punisher to go along with), even a squadron of Advanced X1's will soon be possible with the Raider box.
Everyone has to understand that at some point they will already have all the stuff they wanted and there will be nothing new for them other than cards. That being said the episode VII wave can breathe new life into their squadrons, but even then after you get all the stuff you like, well, through simple logic you have to realise that all that'll be left is stuff you don't like (duh).
Armada will hit that point too, it's not a matter of if, but when. If they use up all the designs I like, there will be nothing more for me to look forward to and I accept that, because it's all finite and bound to happen at some point. Others should realize that too.
Agreed. It's impossible for any studio to simply keep on releasing stuff for any game. Well, not without really scraping the bottom of the barrel and just starting to release rubbish just for the sake of having a release. Wave 7, I'm looking at you.
This is even more of a problem for Star Wars games where there is a strict creative control. You can't just invent a new ship or three to bulk out your latest release.
People have to realise that, at some point, the Star Wars games will be complete. There will be nothing left to release, and no new ships to look forward to. And that's fine. You just buy the ships you want and play games with them. I think Armada and X-Wing are solid enough games that even without new releases we'll still be playing them many years in the future.
Agreed, I imagine Armada will reach that point faster than X-Wing did (although soon both will have the new films to draw from, which should help - even if they're crap, I have faith that the ship design in the new films will be better than almost anything from the Old EU).
Imperial Assault on the other hand, they've got millions of waves ahead of them there!