The other people aren't mentioning is cost. Both in game and retail. Both the K-wing and the Punisher will likely end in the same blisters and cost bracket as the Starviper. But the other factor is that they are also likely to fall into the elite ship bracket (E-wing, Defender, Starviper) where FFG have done a brat job of pricing them out of competitiveness (at least for generics). The K-wing look like a 30pt ship and the Punisher would be 25ish (if it has 3 attack dice) base without any upgrades.

Here's hoping the Kihraxz is -20 18 points. With likely no astro slot, they could have a sensor slot I guess to make them interesting. No boost to Barrel roll either though.

The 'Punisher' (lolz) is whatever. TIE ships for the most part just add cockpits or panels wherever. It doesn't look any uglier than the Defender or Bomber to me.

Bomber and Defender are ugly?

Bomber maybe, but the Defender is just... Unf. Yes.

Defender is where it's at. They look like they are predators and they are.

Interdictor, still not as bad as the K-Wing...

This. KTHXBAI FFG. Good way to ruin a good game.

Look I'll still buy each and every one of these things because of what they probably add to the game but ****.

We could have had the Missile Boat.

Fanboys gonna fanboy.

I'm super stoked about both the K-Wing and the TIE Punisher. I'm pretty excited for the Hound's Tooth. I am totally unfamiliar with the Scum fighter, but it looks kinda neat.

Just remember, for each of you "This wave SUCKS!!!!" moaners, there's one of us "This wave is AWESOME!!!!" supporters.

Now that we have the ships, all I really need is the info on the purported "munitions fix." Then I'll be the happiest of campers.

Interdictor, still not as bad as the K-Wing...

This. KTHXBAI FFG. Good way to ruin a good game.

Heh - true.

"Man, what have we done with this godawful TIE? It's going to be the mockery of the wave, unless...WAIT! I'VE GOT AN IDEA! Let's put out something even uglier for the Rebels! Yeah, that's the ticket..."

Man, this wave just makes me...sad.

Well, you know. If people didn't have anything to complain about, their heads might explode.

I don't think that is very fair. Dissenting opinion is cool... If you want to force people into head explosion extremes, it could also be pointed out that this isn't the "open your wallet and pour cash at Fantasy Flight for any release" forum. Some of us are not fans of the wave, we are still fans of the game. Criticism of an obscure wave should be welcomed, this is probably just going to be a very polarizing wave for our crowd.

Look I'll still buy each and every one of these things because of what they probably add to the game but ****.

We could have had the Missile Boat.

Don't forget, wave 8 is the last EU wave, it might be in there.

Fanboys gonna fanboy.

I'm super stoked about both the K-Wing and the TIE Punisher. I'm pretty excited for the Hound's Tooth. I am totally unfamiliar with the Scum fighter, but it looks kinda neat.

Just remember, for each of you "This wave SUCKS!!!!" moaners, there's one of us "This wave is AWESOME!!!!" supporters.

Now that we have the ships, all I really need is the info on the purported "munitions fix." Then I'll be the happiest of campers.

I hope you don't need to buy 4 Tie Punishers to fix your 4 Tie Bombers.

And I hope you don't need to buy 4 K-Wings to fix your 4 Tie Bombers.

Interdictor, still not as bad as the K-Wing...

This. KTHXBAI FFG. Good way to ruin a good game.

Heh - true.

"Man, what have we done with this godawful TIE? It's going to be the mockery of the wave, unless...WAIT! I'VE GOT AN IDEA! Let's put out something even uglier for the Rebels! Yeah, that's the ticket..."

Man, this wave just makes me...sad.

Meh, who cares. Some people like the way things look. I like the new TIE just fine, looks like a bomber. K-Wing is just odd, too smooth, and yet clunky. Not my style.

The Hound's Tooth and Kihrazx look fantastic, and are definite buys.

My wallet is happy at least.

The term "jumped the shark" is so over played. Everyone screams it as soon as something they like does something they don't. Not a fan of the K-Wing but I was never a fan of the Black Fleet trilogy either. Will still get at least one to check it out though.

Fanboys gonna fanboy.

I'm super stoked about both the K-Wing and the TIE Punisher. I'm pretty excited for the Hound's Tooth. I am totally unfamiliar with the Scum fighter, but it looks kinda neat.

Just remember, for each of you "This wave SUCKS!!!!" moaners, there's one of us "This wave is AWESOME!!!!" supporters.

Now that we have the ships, all I really need is the info on the purported "munitions fix." Then I'll be the happiest of campers.

I hope you don't need to buy 4 Tie Punishers to fix your 4 Tie Bombers.

And I hope you don't need to buy 4 K-Wings to fix your 4 Tie Bombers.

A (potentially) legitimate concern. I doubt it'll come to that, but if that's at least a more reasonable conversation than "OMG HOW COME FFG HATES US SO MUCH?!?!?!!!"

K-Wing is just odd, too smooth, and yet clunky. Not my style.

We've yet to see it high res enough to see what FFG's model artist has done with it.

Remember the beauty that was the FFG Z-95.

I hope you don't need to buy 4 Tie Punishers to fix your 4 Tie Bombers.

I doubt FFG'd pull that. The Raider contains 1 TIE advanced, it stands to reason that it'd contain 1 fix. It comes with four. Likewise, the StarViper only can use one Autothrusters, yet comes with two.

Expect a lot of copies of the fixes, assuming the fix isn't an outright rules change like Wave 5 did to Barrel Roll.

I never disliked the K-wing, but the more I look at it, the more I think, "dang, that looks like a WW-2 super-bomber"

I like all of them. Nothing wrong with this wave at all.

Jim

For me the shark got jumped when the first TIE Mary Sues were released in Wave 4 (Defender and Phantom). Still I own 2 of both and can't sleep at nights.

People are talking about the Missile Boat but WHERE IS ASSAULT GUNBOAT?!

Awesome! I like the K-wing. Here's to FFG really getting ordinance fixed!

For me the shark got jumped when the first TIE Mary Sues were released in Wave 4 (Defender and Phantom). Still I own 2 of both and can't sleep at nights.

People are talking about the Missile Boat but WHERE IS ASSAULT GUNBOAT?!

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Defender is hardly a Mary Sue, and the Phantom was barely known before the wave was released......

Well, you know. If people didn't have anything to complain about, their heads might explode.

I don't think that is very fair. Dissenting opinion is cool... If you want to force people into head explosion extremes, it could also be pointed out that this isn't the "open your wallet and pour cash at Fantasy Flight for any release" forum. Some of us are not fans of the wave, we are still fans of the game. Criticism of an obscure wave should be welcomed, this is probably just going to be a very polarizing wave for our crowd.

I think it's very fair. Yes, dissenting opinion is cool...we're not droids here. However, I've been in enough fan communities to see that reasoned criticism isn't the usual first response, it's "ZOMG!!!!!111! <Insert name here> STOLE MY CHILDHOOD AND CLUBBED BABY SEALS!!!!1!". Given how little actual information is out there (e.g., was anyone at the announcement able to see the stats?), I'd welcome some reasoned criticism.

Defender is hardly a Mary Sue, and the Phantom was barely known before the wave was released......

The Defender sure as hell was originally a Mary Sue (Missile Boat > TIE defender > TIE avenger > everything) was the TIE Fighter Mary Sue Hierachy, and the Phantom was also presented as "the rebels will die if we make this" in Rebel Assault II.

Which for the phantom turned out to be kind of accurate for a long time.

Currently I will buy all regardless.

They need to dump their stupid policy regarding the prequel stuff. There are way more players that would love to buy Naboo and ARC-170 fighters and LAAT gunships and Vulture droids and Tri-Fighters and Geonosian fighters (Clone Wars) then there are players that even know what these ships are let alone wants to buy them.