I'm going to go ahead and say it>

I predict the K-wing will be packing a 2-attack primary, and that strange action icon? A firepower boost. That way you get a modified 2-attack, or a natural 3

They also might have action-ized the double-attack of the BTL-A4 title...tough to tell, just by what I've read of the ship.

Actually, on that note, does anyone have a scan of the K-Wing page from the RPG books handy?

I'm not sure which book it is in for the FFG line. I'll double check money tonight. I'm only missing the Age of Rebellion core book.

Awesome, thanks. Holding you to that!

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I will add I am pretty confident it is in that core book. The lone supplement is for Ace Fighter pilots and has some pretty obscure fighters in it. I can't imagine the K-Wing missed the cut behind them.

Any news for the rpg?

The only tidbit was they have explored putting out things from the Imperial perspective, however nothing definitive. So they didn't confirm if they will or won't, only that they have looked at it, or at least started to.

Well, it's good to know I won't need to make any purchases for the next few months from FFG at any rate.

Doesn't that Scum fighter look like your Dunelizard?

No, the Dunelizard is actually pretty. And the Kirahz or whatever isn't even from the same company as the Scyk. It's not a Hutt fighter, it's one of the game's Black Sun fighters. And it's the ugliest of the bunch too. If they wanted to go with the Black Sun fighters, why not go with the Vaksai? It's way cooler looking and it featured in the card art for one of the other ships in the game already. But logically, with the paint scheme they chose, they should have gone with the Dunelizard, or if they wanted to give another large base to the scum, the Kimogila or M-22 Krayt. This decision, much like the K-wing, is really poorly thought out.

Since I'm relatively new to the game, this is the first release I've seen where I've been a part of the game community. I have to say, I am incredibly disappointed in FFG. I certainly won't be buying any of these retarded EU ships, and possibly will be reconsidering my commitment to the game as a whole.

Well, it's good to know I won't need to make any purchases for the next few months from FFG at any rate.

Doesn't that Scum fighter look like your Dunelizard?

No, the Dunelizard is actually pretty. And the Kirahz or whatever isn't even from the same company as the Scyk. It's not a Hutt fighter, it's one of the game's Black Sun fighters. And it's the ugliest of the bunch too. If they wanted to go with the Black Sun fighters, why not go with the Vaksai? It's way cooler looking and it featured in the card art for one of the other ships in the game already. But logically, with the paint scheme they chose, they should have gone with the Dunelizard, or if they wanted to give another large base to the scum, the Kimogila or M-22 Krayt. This decision, much like the K-wing, is really poorly thought out.

Since I'm relatively new to the game, this is the first release I've seen where I've been a part of the game community. I have to say, I am incredibly disappointed in FFG. I certainly won't be buying any of these retarded EU ships, and possibly will be reconsidering my commitment to the game as a whole.

I love the wave as a whole, psyched for the punsiher/interdictor and Hounds tooth, and that SWG is still getting ships in game (I'm tempted daily to buy Mel's Sorosub Yacht but have never painted before so wouldn't do it justice) but they need to fix the Kihraxz. The colors are wrong as you said. It's Black Sun not Hutt Cartel, and they need to change to the standard variant with the cockpit up top. Pilot will be laying on his stomach flying it as they have it now.

Since I'm relatively new to the game, this is the first release I've seen where I've been a part of the game community. I have to say, I am incredibly disappointed in FFG. I certainly won't be buying any of these retarded EU ships, and possibly will be reconsidering my commitment to the game as a whole.

Think about it this way: if this wave combines the worst possible choices you feel they could have made, then logically the next couple of waves have to be substantially better.

Looks like one of the Kihraxz pilots is PS9 if I read the slide right.

Looks like one of the Kihraxz pilots is PS9 if I read the slide right.

It is almost certainly aPS9, but who would it be?

Can't tell by the pics, but is the Punisher a bigger model than the bomber or is it roughly the same shape with extra pods attached to it?

Can't tell by the pics, but is the Punisher a bigger model than the bomber or is it roughly the same shape with extra pods attached to it?

I'm pretty sure someone here said it is bigger. It certainly looks bigger to me.

Can't tell by the pics, but is the Punisher a bigger model than the bomber or is it roughly the same shape with extra pods attached to it?

In one of these threads Wonderwaagh posted a picture of the interdictor next to a bomber. It us bigger, but not by a big margin.

My lightsaber activated.

Oh, and apparently FFG is going to be releasing their tournament software in beta form... next week? That was more info gleaned personally from Steve Horvath. I keep recalling tidbits of info that might not be worthy of a full thread.

Man, I find it kind of strange that I was the only one there asking these kinds of questions. They let me pick their brains, collectively, for at least an hour or two.

Since I'm relatively new to the game, this is the first release I've seen where I've been a part of the game community. I have to say, I am incredibly disappointed in FFG. I certainly won't be buying any of these retarded EU ships, and possibly will be reconsidering my commitment to the game as a whole.

Think about it this way: if this wave combines the worst possible choices you feel they could have made, then logically the next couple of waves have to be substantially better.

That's only true to a point. Seeing their decision-making process here, I'm not optimistic about future waves at all. How they could have missed the Dunelizard is really crazy for me. It's the next logical ship in the sequence with the Scyk, they gave it a stat-line that would work for the Dunelizard, I don't get the choice.

Much as I hate the K-wing, the logic of that is slightly easier to stomach. I still hate it, but I get that they wanted to release a new rebel bomber. What else did they have available? The Havoc? That's not really rebel. The ARC-170? As others have pointed out, that almost fits better as an Imperial ship. The H-wing? That's pretty much just as bad as the K-wing. Personally, I think they should have made one up, but I guess that wasn't an option for them.

Anyway, for me, I guess the game just isn't Star Wars anymore with the K-Wing in it. My suspension of disbelief bubble was popped in a bad way. I just can't picture myself playing across the table from somebody with a K-Wing and feeling like I'm playing a Star Wars game. So, I guess I'm kind of done with the game, at least in a competitive setting where they might show up.

I'm wondering if the new symbol on the k wing is something that allows multiple attacks between two or more targets

Actually I'm bugged they didn't pick the Ixiyen instead of this heavy Kihraxz.

I don't think we are anywhere near the 'they picked this instead of that' level with Scum, yet.

I mean, this is only the second wave they have anything released for, and pretty much ALL of the stuff players flew in Star Wars: Galaxies (which appears to be FFG's favorite for mining for new ships) would ultimately get tossed into the 'Scum' category.

So...there's plenty of time for the rest to show up.

That's only true to a point. Seeing their decision-making process here, I'm not optimistic about future waves at all. How they could have missed the Dunelizard is really crazy for me. It's the next logical ship in the sequence with the Scyk, they gave it a stat-line that would work for the Dunelizard, I don't get the choice.

I get the disappointment of seeing the design space for a favourite ship vanish (I'd rather S&V had Uglys as their 12 pointer and I really don't buy Z95s as Rebel ships either), but...

Anyway, for me, I guess the game just isn't Star Wars anymore with the K-Wing in it. My suspension of disbelief bubble was popped in a bad way. I just can't picture myself playing across the table from somebody with a K-Wing and feeling like I'm playing a Star Wars game. So, I guess I'm kind of done with the game, at least in a competitive setting where they might show up.

You can accept a game in which eight scrubs fresh out of the academy are not smoked in less time than it takes to tell by Han, Luke, Wedge or any other hero/elite pilot yet the K-Wing kills your suspension of disbelief? Not liking it I get, everyone's taste is different after all. To me it looks like the successor to the Y-Wing in the same way that the E-Wing follows the X-Wing.

It's more of a B-Wing successor. If anything, the E-Wing is a better successor to the Y-Wing than the X-Wing.

That's only true to a point. Seeing their decision-making process here, I'm not optimistic about future waves at all. How they could have missed the Dunelizard is really crazy for me. It's the next logical ship in the sequence with the Scyk, they gave it a stat-line that would work for the Dunelizard, I don't get the choice.

I get the disappointment of seeing the design space for a favourite ship vanish (I'd rather S&V had Uglys as their 12 pointer and I really don't buy Z95s as Rebel ships either), but...

Anyway, for me, I guess the game just isn't Star Wars anymore with the K-Wing in it. My suspension of disbelief bubble was popped in a bad way. I just can't picture myself playing across the table from somebody with a K-Wing and feeling like I'm playing a Star Wars game. So, I guess I'm kind of done with the game, at least in a competitive setting where they might show up.

You can accept a game in which eight scrubs fresh out of the academy are not smoked in less time than it takes to tell by Han, Luke, Wedge or any other hero/elite pilot yet the K-Wing kills your suspension of disbelief? Not liking it I get, everyone's taste is different after all. To me it looks like the successor to the Y-Wing in the same way that the E-Wing follows the X-Wing.

In regards to the first point, it's not so much that I love the Dunelizard, though I do, it's that they are taking a light fighter that was the Black Sun equivalent to the Scyk, and they're throwing a Scyk paint job on it and putting it in the slot of the Dunelizard. Why the hell would you do that when you could just build a Dunelizard? If you're going to borrow from Galaxies, why not do it right?

As to the eight "scrubs" from the academy, I actually don't have a problem with that, because someone at the Imperial academy isn't a scrub. Luke Skywalker is a bush-pilot. Han Solo is a freighter pilot. Wedge is the only real fighter pilot amongst them, and even he probably had Imperial training at some point. Tycho certainly did. Having studied in the Imperial Academy is a benefit, in my opinion. Plus, look how long it took Luke and Han to kill those TIEs in the first movie in their Falcon turret spots - quite a while, and there weren't eight of them. Look how close Luke came to being killed by Black Squadron. The Rebel assault was almost completely wiped out by enemy fighters, not so much by the AAA. So, yeah, I guess it doesn't kill my suspension of disbelief the way the K-wing does.

In regards to the first point, it's not so much that I love the Dunelizard, though I do, it's that they are taking a light fighter that was the Black Sun equivalent to the Scyk, and they're throwing a Scyk paint job on it and putting it in the slot of the Dunelizard. Why the hell would you do that when you could just build a Dunelizard? If you're going to borrow from Galaxies, why not do it right?

So if they'd put a Black Sun paint job on it you'd be ok with it?

As to the eight "scrubs" from the academy, I actually don't have a problem with that, because someone at the Imperial academy isn't a scrub. Luke Skywalker is a bush-pilot. Han Solo is a freighter pilot. Wedge is the only real fighter pilot amongst them, and even he probably had Imperial training at some point. Tycho certainly did. Having studied in the Imperial Academy is a benefit, in my opinion.

Han Solo was in the same class as Soontir Fel and was considered the superior cadet. The Imperial Academy is not the Top Gun school, it's a sausage factory for disposable TIE/ln pilots.

Plus, look how long it took Luke and Han to kill those TIEs in the first movie in their Falcon turret spots - quite a while, and there weren't eight of them. Look how close Luke came to being killed by Black Squadron. The Rebel assault was almost completely wiped out by enemy fighters, not so much by the AAA. So, yeah, I guess it doesn't kill my suspension of disbelief the way the K-wing does.

So because he only shot down two Black Squadon pilots inside of two minutes the first time he ever sat in a gunner's chair Luke's slow? YMMV I get, but that feel like a stretch to me.

As for the battle of Yarvin, sure, a bunch of nameless pilots got killed by other nameless pilots off screen. That does not invalidate my point on nameless pilots vrs hero pilots within the movies. How many named pilots were shot down by unnamed pilots? As to Luke's dramatic moment of peril, we're talking about his first time in combat in a not entirely familiar ship, and he's popping elite Imperial pilots. Black Squadron is a long way up from the Academy.

Han Solo was in the same class as Soontir Fel and was considered the superior cadet. The Imperial Academy is not the Top Gun school, it's a sausage factory for disposable TIE/ln pilots.

That's a very interesting choice of words. I'm not sure who'd have more to say on the subject, Freud or Upton Sinclair.

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Who am I kidding, of course it would be Freud.

they are going 50 shades of gray on us!

I can understand where Nightshrike is coming from with regards to the K-wing. It's reminscent of a WW2 bomber and therefore not a design that fits neatly into Star Wars.

Well, it's good to know I won't need to make any purchases for the next few months from FFG at any rate.

Doesn't that Scum fighter look like your Dunelizard?

No, the Dunelizard is actually pretty. And the Kirahz or whatever isn't even from the same company as the Scyk. It's not a Hutt fighter, it's one of the game's Black Sun fighters. And it's the ugliest of the bunch too. If they wanted to go with the Black Sun fighters, why not go with the Vaksai? It's way cooler looking and it featured in the card art for one of the other ships in the game already. But logically, with the paint scheme they chose, they should have gone with the Dunelizard, or if they wanted to give another large base to the scum, the Kimogila or M-22 Krayt. This decision, much like the K-wing, is really poorly thought out.

Since I'm relatively new to the game, this is the first release I've seen where I've been a part of the game community. I have to say, I am incredibly disappointed in FFG. I certainly won't be buying any of these retarded EU ships, and possibly will be reconsidering my commitment to the game as a whole.

You know, you were starting to become one of the members I respected after thevarious N-1 EU threads. But the sheer arrogance of these posts, well, I'm starting to doubt my prior opinion of you.

You have no idea what goes on at FFG. You think they don't know these other ships exist? You think they didn't consider these other ships? You think, because you don't understand their decision making process that it doesn't exist? Don't you think that maybe, just maybe, the professional design department of FFG and LFL itself might actually know what they're doing?

You think you could do so much better? That your personal aesthetic gut feeling is a better judge than the decision of a whole design department taking into consideration aesthetic, marketing, mechanical role and licensing?

Oh, and the things you fan over? The Dunelizard, Juno Eclipse? They're EU too. Some might even, in their opinions, apply the same adjective you used.

So you know what? If your pet ship not being released this wave offends you so deeply then by all means "reconsider your commitment to the game," go. But leaving is leaving, not hanging around the forums and bitching that you don't personally like the designs of a few fictional spaceships.

Ragequitting because someone flies a K-wing? That's just so... well... childish.