Elrond/Treebeard/Spirfindel

By Olorin93, in Strategy and deck-building

Has anyone else proxied and tried out the new Treebeard hero? I wanted to run him in a healing-heavy support deck, bring all the non-unique ent allies and see how it went. With Elrond and Treebeard together (26!), Glorfindel felt like the best third option.

I only have Journey along the Anduin available as I'm abroad and left most of my collection at home. Tried JatA. Long story short: got to stage 3 in about 7 rounds, but both heroes and allies took damage and were killed by treachiers like The Necromancer's Reach and Evil Storm. I encountered four of these - two of them I cancelled, the third one killed all my healers and the fourth one killed Elrond and Treebeard in stage 3. Glorfindel was alone and faced down the three remaining enemies with admirable resolve.

So, what you need in a Treebeard deck is plenty of healing - and preparation for treachieres that may kill your healers. I should think Self-Preservation would do rather well on Treebeard - all healing I had was 3 Wardens of Healing and 2 Lembas + Elrond's boost.

In short, I think I prefer the Treebeard ally (though its artwork is not as good), but the hero is very interesting and I'll definitely try again and hope for better draw. Might mention that I took down the Hill Troll very quickly with his help.

Edited by Olorin93

Since he has been spoiled I have been thinking of some good treebeard combo's.

I haven't played any proxy games yet mind you, and my decks are build for multi player.

Your hero line up also passed my thoughts, as Spirfindel is usually the "best" addition to a high threat set up.

My idea was adding lembas & miruvor for alot of extra action advantage here.

Yet I don't play spirfindel anymore tho, and resolved to go mono lore adding mirlonde.

This only gives you mithrandir's advice's full draw power in return really.

The deck idea is far from finished, but it makes for more interesting play then "just add water/spirfindel" decks, imo.

Another idea I had is combining him with merry & pippin from tBR.

With treebeard & merry you shouldn't have trouble smashing a foe, readying treebeard to do so again.

This way you got natural access to the tactics booming ent too; with more ent cards in the sphere on the way as ffg stated.

Which can all add up to a fun multi player combat/heal/draw deck.

Yet again, the plan is far from finished.

Edited by Noccus

I love the idea of pairing Merry and Pippin with a strong hero and readying.

Well well!

With the newly spoiled super strong lore ent this will be alot easier.

This guy has 3wp & auto heals for treebeard!

And playing treebeard/merry/pipping is a thematic home run :)

Me thinks I'm going to like this deck!

Treebeard hero?? I must have dozed off! Where was this spoiled?

Niiice! Thanks... Now I am excited about this expansion too. Ents are getting their due.

Well well!

With the newly spoiled super strong lore ent this will be alot easier.

This guy has 3wp & auto heals for treebeard!

And playing treebeard/merry/pipping is a thematic home run :)

Me thinks I'm going to like this deck!

Yes, the new Ent ally was pretty much exactly what a Treebeard deck needed!

It is kinda weird that the hero Ent (TB) doesn't get the same treatment as the ally Ents. Those are undercosted cards for what they bring statwise. TB ally should normally cost around 8 as Caleb said. Buut TB hero does not have that high stats vs his threat. He is just normally calculated as all other heroes. Granted, you can really boost him, but that just stood out to me.

It is kinda weird that the hero Ent (TB) doesn't get the same treatment as the ally Ents. Those are undercosted cards for what they bring statwise. TB ally should normally cost around 8 as Caleb said. Buut TB hero does not have that high stats vs his threat. He is just normally calculated as all other heroes. Granted, you can really boost him, but that just stood out to me.

That also happens with Gandalf... It isn't new... the Gandalf hero is normally calculated (if you disregard his ability) while both Gandalf allies bring much more statwise then their respective cost

It is kinda weird that the hero Ent (TB) doesn't get the same treatment as the ally Ents. Those are undercosted cards for what they bring statwise. TB ally should normally cost around 8 as Caleb said. Buut TB hero does not have that high stats vs his threat. He is just normally calculated as all other heroes. Granted, you can really boost him, but that just stood out to me.

A big part of why the Ent allies are undercosted is because they enter play exhausted. Maybe Treebeard would only be 10 threat if he started the game exhausted.

I like the idea. It would make treebeard a very interesting hero to play.

That oh so important 1st round would be a huge loss.

Then again, with 10 threat he would be easier pairable with other heroes.

A good trade off imo, making him more interesting.

Too late now tho.

I know it sounds crazy, but the deck I have in mind with Treebeard, is to use it with Elrond and LORE Glorfindel. I know... it is an starting threat of 38, but I think that with those strong heroes you can survive first rounds (You can quest up to 12 in first round just with heroes, without spending even a resource or a card).

By now is just an idea in my mind, I have the intention to put Rivendell minstrels, and songs of travel in the deck, granting me access to Unexpected Courage, Miruvor, Light of Valinor and Elrond's counsel. Maybe it's just an auto-suicide, but I think it deserves to try it.

I had that idea as well, but only for 2 handed, I'll pair it with Galdariel, (S) Merry and Sam deck. Slap Song of Elendil on Galdriel, with Merry, elronds council, and handmaiden, shouldn;t be too difficult to keep everybody's threat down, and make for a very powerful lore deck.

I'll raise this thread like a necromancer would to to their hordes of undeads.

Yesterday I tried a solo deck with Spirit Glorfindel, Elrond and Treebeard. My deck list contained all ent allies (even the tactics ones, since I could play them with Elrond and/or Vilya). I tested against the Morgul Vale, and it failed 4 of 5 attempts, and the only successful attempt was finished at 49 threat...

I think it is only a matter of that mission, which can be brutal if you are not lucky, and has a lot of threat raising, but I'd like to hear suggestions and your ideas on ent-focused decks. Treebeard is amazing with Elrond, Wellinghall Preservers are great, and with them, 3 lembas and 3 wardens of healing I think I have more than enough healing.

I considered using Mablung, to get an easier access to tactics ents, but I think I lose more than I gain. So... any thoughts on how to optimize the deck?

I tried to get an Ent deck running. Also, I've started a discussion (like many before us :D ). You can find this one here: https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/187643-now-that-moar-and-more-ents-are-showing-up/

Anyhow, Treebeard hero needs readying effects and heals to be effective. Besides Wellinghall Preservers the so far released ent cards do not support that. Another point is that the Ent allies need reading effects and lots of resources. This is why I think Treeberad ally is better in terms of an "all Ent deck".

So, my take on heroes for that kind of deck would be Mablung (TNiN), Bifur (KD) and Faramir (LoS) (or Mirlonde or Glorfindel, both green). But you can read more about that in the link above.

EDIT:

Imo, trying to get Ents into play with Elrond is not that wise; they are not that expensive over all (you can bring more powerfull allies into play with Elrond) , also you block Elrond for a round (unless you have u.c. or similar) and Ents can be used only in the next round.

Edited by Flrbb

Sure, I can put into play more powerfull allies, but I was specially interested in using ents due to Entmoot, which I think is a great draw card.

Talking about readying, I think 3 Unexpected Courages, and 3 lembas should be enough, but maybe I should try adding also miruvor. Anyway, reading the other thread I'm totally agree that my hero choices are not the best choice at all for an Ent-focused deck. I'll try to switch this to a "Treebeard hero" focused deck then.

This lineup has become one of my favorite decks ever (I made a thread recently about it), and I have used it to great effect lately. I don't think however that going full ent deck with the tactics ents works well in this, as this is more of a Treebeard deck than an ent deck per se. Here's my list for what is worth, it has performed extremely well in both solo and multiplayer:

Elrond
Treebeard
Glorfindel

Quickbeam x2
Arwen Undomiel
Gildor Inglorion
Henamarth Riversong
Warden of Healing x3
Galadriel’s Handmaiden x3
Erebor Hammersmith x2
Master of the Forge x2
Wellinghall Preserver x3
Gandalf x3

Light of Valinor x3
Ent Draught x3
Miruvor x2
Self Preservation x3
Burning Brand
Vilya x2
Asfaloth
Lembas x3
Unexpected Courage x2

A Test of Will x3
Daeron’s Runes x3
Elrond’s Cousel x3

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Which glorefindel are you using? Lorefidel may start you're threat real high but you can use his resources to heal to damage from treeeard a turn with elrond. that keeps you safe from cards like necromancer's reach.

Actually I had never thought about Lorefindel, but yeah, I would not use him personally, as the starting threat at that point is way too high and you want Spirit for treachery cancellation, action advantage, threat reducing, etc.

What do you think about Grima instead of Elrond ?

With Grima, Self preservation cost only two ressources as Unexpected courage !

With Key of Orthanc, you can quickly put in play healing effect (Warden's of healing, Self preservation, Lembas and Welling hall preserver) and readies effect (Lembas, Unexpected courage, Miruvor).

You lost healing effectivness of Elrond but you gain on speed. Quickly, you heal and ready Sylvebarbe which can Quest, Defend and Attack in the same round.

Welling hall preserver could be played turn one with Grima :D

Playing some Elrond's counsel for the doom generates by Grima.

Edited by 13nrv

Elrond + plus Vilya gives you spirit. Also vilya plays Gandalf for free, cheap, massive threat reduc. Been playing nightmare mode and all I needed were a few G's Greeting and Gandalf. It may start your threat high but this deck is an absulote tank anyways. O! Big one. Imraldis strargazer is really useful with vilya. Choose whatever you want from the top 5 of your deck. You can also trade Master of the Forge for Galadreil, but with a stargazer it is not very important.