Star Wars wasn't a PG film... it was a U instead! Lower age rating than PG in the UK, which I still find odd. PG seems about right for the content, but they rated it the same as some toddlers cartoon. Did mean we could watch it in Primary School though.

Part of Trek's problem is that it isn't... proper for space battles to happen. In Trek the protagonists are supposed to be talking to their enemies to find common ground, not fighting them. So that the Enterprise was one-sidedly curbstomped by the Vengence is, actually, kosher to Star Trek sensibilities. Because only bad guys are warmongers.

I'm kind of curious about how much Star Trek you have watched? Yes Starfleet usually tries talking before fighting but when talking fails they have no problems with resorting to fighting. Of the Trek movies pre-Abrams I think there are two where there was some form of space combat. And even in the most one sided of those battles both sides got at least a couple of shots off before the loser was crippled or destroyed.

I've been watching Star Trek since I was a kid watching ToS Re-runs. I did a pass through most of DS9, parts of Voyager, and a few episodes of Enterprise. Berman-era trek never excited me as much as the original 60s series or the original series movies.

I always felt that Trek fans held the "Exploration of the human condition" in high esteem, and the most ardent of fans abhorred the action-violence. The backlash from hardcore fans to the 2009 Star Trek is evidence of this, because they felt it wasn't star trek anymore with the emphasis on action over exploration.

Meanwhile the Star Wars fans have had no problems with blowing up planets and throwing people into sarlacc pits. What draws me to Star Wars is that action-adventure that Star Wars isn't afraid to display, and the Abrams movies i felt re-captured that adventure that was missing from trek for so, so long, and why I enjoyed them more than most episodes of TNG.

I consider Star Trek my first and greatest sci-fi love. And I have no issue with it having action. The original series is actually uses action quite a bit, and I think the idea that Star Trek doesn't use action is a fallacy. I certainly wasn't averse to an actiony new film. The problem is the lack of respect shown to the source material by altering it in order to "make it better", ie make it "less boring", which basically meant to mischaracterise people and have a flimsy joke of a plot, Then in the second film having the lack of imagination to just use Khan, and then treating the character like he was Lex Luthor to Kirk's Superman (rather than just being another adversary, as he is in the series. He appears twice, which is unsual, but he isn't Kirk's Nemesis). "Because you know, like the second film was the best and so I was going to ride on its coat tails to success." Yes, well, it was the best because it was the best made film. It has a good plot, grounded on a relationship between two characters that doesn't exist in the reboot, and it has a good script, two things sorely lacking in JJ's Star Treks.

JJ admitted that he never really got Star Trek, but he loved Wars, so I am hoping he does a more respectful and better version of those, but I am still worried, as while I think Star Wars suits JJs style better, I think he has certain tendancies which still make him a threat to making a good film ("Plot? What is plot, lets have more slapstick comedy and explosions." "Wait... where were we going here? I'm bored now, lets throw something new in here." "Ah, wait the audience might have a moment here to analyse what has just happen... throw in another explosion in there otherwise they will notice we have no plot and the characters are basically cardboard cut outs.".

1:27 in the trailer... is that a super star destroyer wreck?

YEP!

1:27 in the trailer... is that a super star destroyer wreck?

YEP!

Is there enough here to confirm it is a SSD and not just an Imperial Class?

I'm assuming the triple banks of engines?

I would say its def a SSD. A normal ISD looks much different from the back.

Uh, in the first new Trek they're fighting a ship from the future, and in the second they're fighting a super warship designed by Khan. I think they get a pass there. I mean, First Contact has the majority of Star Fleet wiped out by a Cube.

1: I mentioned how he always give the enemy superships.

2: The first ship was a mining vessel hastily retrofit into a warship not a combat vessel (Though thanks to Abrams bad writing they had to have a comic explain where its weapons came from. Unfortunately the comic sucked.)

3: The two times Enterprise faced vastly superior craft in the pre-Abrams movies (The Cube in First Contact, and the Scimitar in Nemesis) she managed to put up a fight. In the Abrams films Enterprise is lucky to get a shot off before her weapons are knocked out. In fact I think the one time Enterprise fired her weapons in the Abrams films was when she ambushed the Narrada.

4: How the hell did Marcu and Khan have time to build the Vengeance before Into Darkness?

In the first Abrams movie we see parts of the Enterprise being worked on. Three years later it has just been commissioned.

Somehow in the less then two years that take place between the end of Trek (2009) and the primary portion of Into Darkness Marcus finds and revives Khan, Khan designs Vengeance, and Vengeance is secretly constructed and made operational.

5: Why was Vengenance a supership? Was it being a supership really necessary to the plot or did Abrams just do it because he's convinced that villains having ships which can disable the hero craft before the hero ships get a shot off is the key to great space battles? I personally suspect the latter.

1:27 in the trailer... is that a super star destroyer wreck?

YEP!

Is there enough here to confirm it is a SSD and not just an Imperial Class?

I'm assuming the triple banks of engines?

It looks like the SSD is belly up.

Uh, in the first new Trek they're fighting a ship from the future, and in the second they're fighting a super warship designed by Khan. I think they get a pass there. I mean, First Contact has the majority of Star Fleet wiped out by a Cube.

1: I mentioned how he always give the enemy superships.

2: The first ship was a mining vessel hastily retrofit into a warship not a combat vessel (Though thanks to Abrams bad writing they had to have a comic explain where its weapons came from. Unfortunately the comic sucked.)

3: The two times Enterprise faced vastly superior craft in the pre-Abrams movies (The Cube in First Contact, and the Scimitar in Nemesis) she managed to put up a fight. In the Abrams films Enterprise is lucky to get a shot off before her weapons are knocked out. In fact I think the one time Enterprise fired her weapons in the Abrams films was when she ambushed the Narrada.

4: How the hell did Marcu and Khan have time to build the Vengeance before Into Darkness?

In the first Abrams movie we see parts of the Enterprise being worked on. Three years later it has just been commissioned.

Somehow in the less then two years that take place between the end of Trek (2009) and the primary portion of Into Darkness Marcus finds and revives Khan, Khan designs Vengeance, and Vengeance is secretly constructed and made operational.

5: Why was Vengenance a supership? Was it being a supership really necessary to the plot or did Abrams just do it because he's convinced that villains having ships which can disable the hero craft before the hero ships get a shot off is the key to great space battles? I personally suspect the latter.

You have a point. The perhaps the star destroyer shown in the new teaser is not a star destroyer, nor a super star destroyer.

Maybe it's.....

(ominous music here)

A super duper star destroyer!

Seriously though, the whole idea of the Vengence and the infrastructure, man power and money needed to build it being kept totally and completely secret were major plot holes to me. I hope something so dumb is not in the NT.

Lots of new Imperial ship designs too! and how bout that chrome trooper! WOWZA!

The rumors that the chrome-armored trooper could be Gwendoline Christie's character are making my heart sing.

Gwendoline Christie's character, while nothing substantive has surfaced, is supposed to be either an Inquisitor or commander type, so this may well be her in field armour. There was an image of the chrome trooper that was shown that looked to have slightly "feminine" lines, but that could be a trick of the subconscious hoping it was Gwendoline Christie.

I agree with you TrentL, with one exception: Name one living being that actually liked Jar Jar.

I was amused when they made a point to show him die, with Bail Organa no less, as traitorous and rebellious Alderaan was brought to heel for crimes against The Empire.

Is there enough here to confirm it is a SSD and not just an Imperial Class?

I'm assuming the triple banks of engines?

I actually have a very lighthearted thread about this there is a special high resolution frame that proves that it is a Super Star Destroyer, and we have Mel Brooks to thank for it.

1:27 in the trailer... is that a super star destroyer wreck?

YEP!

Hmm, it is listed as 13 engines, not 9... I thought it was an Executor class too, but maybe not. The engine placements are off.

I've just thought of this, didn't the Empire win because the way they seem to be setting this up is that the Empire has won the war and is been had a name change to the First Order and the Rebel Alliance has been downgraded to the point of being called the Resistance. Just a thought but if this is true I'll be a very happy guy.

1:27 in the trailer... is that a super star destroyer wreck?

YEP!

Hmm, it is listed as 13 engines, not 9... I thought it was an Executor class too, but maybe not. The engine placements are off.

It is twisted up from the crash, and it is also lying on it's back. Turn your monitor upside down.

If we are really being honest, this trilogy should not even be made.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAOX_CHU0JY&list=PL58728BA8E622EBE4&index=91

The engine bell on the right is closer than the ones on the left. I think the starboard bells are either gone or hidden behind the superstructure.

I'm still wondering what she was called. Also wondering if Executor-class ships were as common as regular Star Destroyers, or are they finally gonna have a finite number now?

1:27 in the trailer... is that a super star destroyer wreck?

YEP!

Hmm, it is listed as 13 engines, not 9... I thought it was an Executor class too, but maybe not. The engine placements are off.

It is twisted up from the crash, and it is also lying on it's back. Turn your monitor upside down.

Yup, it definitely crashed belly up. And I reckon we're looking at the Falcon flying into one of the middle pairs of engines.

Or it's a slightly different SSD...

Or it's a slightly different SSD...

Possibly this. It's not like the Empire had only one SSD model and some, Bellator among them, also were arrow-shaped like the Executor.

The two pairs are not in the same hight than the other. So I think there are under the sand

The engine bell on the right is closer than the ones on the left. I think the starboard bells are either gone or hidden behind the superstructure.

I'm still wondering what she was called. Also wondering if Executor-class ships were as common as regular Star Destroyers, or are they finally gonna have a finite number now?

Uncertain, but Han seemed to think so.

The engine bell on the right is closer than the ones on the left. I think the starboard bells are either gone or hidden behind the superstructure.

I'm still wondering what she was called. Also wondering if Executor-class ships were as common as regular Star Destroyers, or are they finally gonna have a finite number now?

Uncertain, but Han seemed to think so.

Going with wookiepedia by the battle at the second Death Star it is said that Palpatine was at the height of his megalomania and started mass production of Executor-class SSDs. There were a few known before (mentioned by name) or said to be present (four Executors at the battle of Hoth) and more came later, making it about a dozen, so I think it'd be safe to assume that tens of those were created before Empire fell apart. The number had to be fairly high, because despite so many being destroyed during the war, imperial Warlords later on had some in their fleets and so did New Republic, which managed to capture a few for it's own use.

Edit: so while clearly not "as common as regular Star Destroyers", it seems that there were quite a few of those terrorizing Reb scum. I'd bet that each major fleet had one as the flagship during the second half of the war.

I suspect it is meant to be a Super Star Destroyer and it just has the wrong number of engine ports because most of the people involved are not as pernickety as internet geeks about this kind of thing. Of course someone will then come up with a new class of Super Star Destroyer to explain it (like all the variety of Star Destroyers which were made up to explain the minor difference in models, when I suspect the model builders' intentions were that they were all the same vessel type).

The engine bell on the right is closer than the ones on the left. I think the starboard bells are either gone or hidden behind the superstructure.

I'm still wondering what she was called. Also wondering if Executor-class ships were as common as regular Star Destroyers, or are they finally gonna have a finite number now?

Uncertain, but Han seemed to think so.

Hmm... Well, he refers to it as a Command Ship, and doesn't instantly think the it has to be the Executor. However, I think it is still meant to be a fairly uncommon ship class. My guess take on this would be that there are at least a dozen or so ships like this, and as the Death Star is a major project it wouldn't be surprising to see one assigned here.