On the plus side, the lenton HQ with its new AOS winged hammer and golden statue no longer looks like the third reichs secret HQ...

That's...

Just...

Clearly more time was spent erecting the BIG GOLD MAN™ outside GWHQ than was spent actually writing the rules for it...

On the plus side, the lenton HQ with its new AOS winged hammer and golden statue no longer looks like the third reichs secret HQ...

That's...

Just...

Clearly more time was spent erecting the BIG GOLD MAN™ outside GWHQ than was spent actually writing the rules for it...

The rules devs lost an entire years wages because of that, that's why the accountants wrote 9th...they tried their best.

On the plus side, the lenton HQ with its new AOS winged hammer and golden statue no longer looks like the third reichs secret HQ...

That's...

Just...

Clearly more time was spent erecting the BIG GOLD MAN™ outside GWHQ than was spent actually writing the rules for it...

The rules devs lost an entire years wages because of that, that's why the accountants wrote 9th...they tried their best.

I think the average accountant would be better at writing rules than the current GW rules developers.

Ever wonder why GW has been raising their prices all this time? To pay their share holders?

Nah! It's all been for this.

That thing is solid gold.

El Dorado!

That orange blurr on teh right is obviously the realm of chaos seeping into our reality...

I also like how everybody in the above picture has their head down/ is ignoring it.

I wonder what they must think:

"Awww jeez! Wtf is this thing?"

"They replaced the space marine with this?"

"Ostentacious much?"

"So they replaced the armored warrior with big shoulderpads with an armored warrior with big shoulderpads."

"Some day we'll find the lost cities of gooooold."

"Mustn't look. Avert eyes. Don't look upon it's devine countenance."

"Is that real gold?"

"Manowar manowar living on the road..."

"But what is it's point cost?"

"Stop. Hammer time!"

A brief look at Warseer/BoLS seems to show that Age of Sigmar has been about as well received as a flaming turd through the letterbox.

Shoddy product = great news for GW's competitors.

Fantasy has been lagging behind for so long compared to 40k that I don't think they really care about the losses there. I mean, in the past 6 months, how many new codices have come out for 40k compared to Fantasy? Even the past year. GW knows where their money comes from, and it sure as **** ain't Fantasy.

While im hoping that AOS will get people playing fantasy again (WFB sales dropped lower than sales of paints and glue!) its nto looking like its for me.

Im not sure if its someone having us on but ive seen posts of 'special rules' where having a moustache or a mirror or pretending to ride a horse changes your models abilities.

Someone please tell me thats a wind up.

Fantasy has been lagging behind for so long compared to 40k that I don't think they really care about the losses there. I mean, in the past 6 months, how many new codices have come out for 40k compared to Fantasy? Even the past year. GW knows where their money comes from, and it sure as **** ain't Fantasy.

40K's going to follow in Fantasy's footsteps, believe me. Balance has gone right out the window there, as well. It might be GW's top seller, but top seller in a range of 2 ain't anything to shout about.

We're seeing a mass migration of players away from GW, and why? Because they've decided they're a miniatures company, not a games company. They sell toys, not rules.

Someone please tell me thats a wind up.

I'd love to tell you that Gadge, but unfortunately not. Judging from an (admittedly) cursory look at the fan forums, GW has completely alienated it's existing player base with this (for want of a better word) product.

It's a shame, because with a tightened, simplified ruleset, a skirmish game COULD have been a jumping off point into the larger world of Fantasy. Take the Chaos Warbands idea posted a page or two back. But instead, everything gets torn down, replaced by what's effectively a bad joke, players give up, and move on.

GW is going to see a huge player exodus after this.

The "special" rules are also insensitive a woman can't activate dwarf abilities, a disabled person may not be able to dance and roll dice, people with speech impediments are really in trouble.

People left warhammer because they didn't like 7th and really didn't like 8th with random charges and other stuff.

This is great for mantic some people already thought kings of war was a better system and their 2nd edition is due soon.

Its odd isnt it.

Guess range weapons like mortars were removed at one point because it was unfair if some one was better as 'guestimating' range.

Now you have to carry a mirror and moustache in your pocket to activate some characters special rules.

I can see the intent was to push away power gaming and make it fun but it just comes across as a bit stupid

While im hoping that AOS will get people playing fantasy again (WFB sales dropped lower than sales of paints and glue!) its nto looking like its for me.

Im not sure if its someone having us on but ive seen posts of 'special rules' where having a moustache or a mirror or pretending to ride a horse changes your models abilities.

Someone please tell me thats a wind up.

I'm pretty sure that's a wind up. Altough if you roll a 13 on 2D6 for your Skaven screaming bell you win the game. Cute.

I'd applaud that "don't take it so srsly" attitude if the rules actualy mentioned what happens when your unit has a model more than 1 inch away from all the other unit's models. It says you gotta reform. but it doesn't say what happens if you can't or wont.

Gadge, have you ever played the World of Warcraft CCG? it had cards that had special powers if you said or did certain things:

Actual card.

Wulfrik The Wanderer's special rule has the potential to start actual, physical violence. It's not exactly child-friendly, either.

I'm pretty sure that's a wind up. Altough if you roll a 13 on 2D6 for your Skaven screaming bell you win the game. Cute.

Combine that rule with Kairos Fateweaver for a turn one victory.

Someone please tell me thats a wind up.

I'd love to tell you that Gadge, but unfortunately not. Judging from an (admittedly) cursory look at the fan forums, GW has completely alienated it's existing player base with this (for want of a better word) product.

It's a shame, because with a tightened, simplified ruleset, a skirmish game COULD have been a jumping off point into the larger world of Fantasy. Take the Chaos Warbands idea posted a page or two back. But instead, everything gets torn down, replaced by what's effectively a bad joke, players give up, and move on.

GW is going to see a huge player exodus after this.

Wait if the point of this thing is to get new/younger players in the game... why would you need to have a mustache to activate abilities...Ah screw it GW designers are probably hufing that gold paint spray.

About that joke part...

I'm starting to wonder if GW isn't having us all on. Like they mistook 4th of Juli for 1st of April.

I mean juli 4th - 4 page rules.

If you would say they will come out at the end of the month with a 31 page full rules PDF, going "fooled youuu!" I'd believe it.

The more i think about it it feels like one big joke...

Wulfrik The Wanderer's special rule has the potential to start actual, physical violence. It's not exactly child-friendly, either.

I'm pretty sure that's a wind up. Altough if you roll a 13 on 2D6 for your Skaven screaming bell you win the game. Cute.

Combine that rule with Kairos Fateweaver for a turn one victory.

To be fair, if anybody tries that fateweaver stuff on me, I'll cast the Metaspell "Robin's Fist of Jawbreakin'" on their face.

I just absolutely love the way Games Workshop has in one fell swoop killed their Fantasy tournament scene stone dead.

My local club used to run Fantasy tournaments at GWHQ twice a year, IIRC. If not more. Sold out pretty much every event they ran.

Now what? stick with 8th?

Yeah there is no way you can balance armies or even set a scale with this thing.

Do what Gadge does and play Oldhammer. I'd say 4th edition so you can have chaos dwarf armies.

Hashut! Hashut! zhar-nagrund!

About that joke part...

I'm starting to wonder if GW isn't having us all on. Like they mistook 4th of Juli for 1st of April.

I mean juli 4th - 4 page rules.

If you would say they will come out at the end of the month with a 31 page full rules PDF, going "fooled youuu!" I'd believe it.

The more i think about it it feels like one big joke...

It does seem that way, but it rests on one crucial flawed premise....

...that GW still has a sense of humour....

The days of Ork soccer hooligan-esque behaviour and Holy Orbs of Antioch seem long gone.

Would be only too happy to be proven wrong!

Fundamentally GW need to move away from constrained D6 and IGOUGO mechanics, many other systems have learnt that, but don't have the fan base inertia or the compelling fluff (something GW arguably does better than most) to win over a critical mass.

Sometimes I wonder what the FFG admins think of us discussing other games/compagnies on their forum.

In this case I'll bet its "Wow I'm glad I don't work for GW"

It does seem that way, but it rests on one crucial flawed premise....

...that GW still has a sense of humour....

The days of Ork soccer hooligan-esque behaviour and Holy Orbs of Antioch seem long gone.

Would be only too happy to be proven wrong!

Fundamentally GW need to move away from constrained D6 and IGOUGO mechanics, many other systems have learnt that, but don't have the fan base inertia or the compelling fluff (something GW arguably does better than most) to win over a critical mass.

I don't think it's humour, they just gone plumb loco! That new statue proves it. They are just huffing paint and making up bs rules for the lulz at this point.

Maybe GW tried and copied the wrong things from the competition:

Competitor: Good rules. Weak backstory/setting.

What GW did: instead of copying the good rules, they made up some weak backstory.

"Baka!"

Well from what bit I read no tournament groups are seriously looking at using AoS, even using wounds you can't find a reasonable balance because 20 goblins is not a match for 20 stormvermin.

And as gadge knows well a tournament scene brings in people, gets the communities interest and generates sales, how many bought space wolf armies for 40k when razorback spam was all the range, thousands of people paying hundreds each to copy tournament winners.

We keep coming back to the fact kids have no money and convincing mom £30 is a reasonable price for ten toy soldiers is an impossible task.

Basts cancel specialist games for cannibalizing sales then turn around and try to cannibalize 40k players.

They can't sell models but won't drop prices, they only want to make models but the only reason to buy more than one or two models is if you have a game system to use em with, and even though it's plain to everyone that cliffs getting awful close they won't steer away.

My nads can't take these constant kicks.

It does seem that way, but it rests on one crucial flawed premise....

...that GW still has a sense of humour....

The days of Ork soccer hooligan-esque behaviour and Holy Orbs of Antioch seem long gone.

Would be only too happy to be proven wrong!

Fundamentally GW need to move away from constrained D6 and IGOUGO mechanics, many other systems have learnt that, but don't have the fan base inertia or the compelling fluff (something GW arguably does better than most) to win over a critical mass.

I don't think it's humour, they just gone plumb loco! That new statue proves it. They are just huffing paint and making up bs rules for the lulz at this point.

Maybe GW tried and copied the wrong things from the competition:

Competitor: Good rules. Weak backstory/setting.

What GW did: instead of copying the good rules, they made up some weak backstory.

"Baka!"

Awibble

Fantasy has been lagging behind for so long compared to 40k that I don't think they really care about the losses there. I mean, in the past 6 months, how many new codices have come out for 40k compared to Fantasy? Even the past year. GW knows where their money comes from, and it sure as **** ain't Fantasy.

40K's going to follow in Fantasy's footsteps, believe me. Balance has gone right out the window there, as well. It might be GW's top seller, but top seller in a range of 2 ain't anything to shout about.

We're seeing a mass migration of players away from GW, and why? Because they've decided they're a miniatures company, not a games company. They sell toys, not rules.

I have a hard time believing that 40k will go the way of Fantasy. Yeah, the prices with GW are high, but you get what you pay for. I have not seen another company that can produce the same quality of miniatures that GW puts out. I would say that people are leaving GW, not because of balance issues, but because other systems have easier rules to understand.

As armies are released for the current edition of 40k, they are all being brought up to the same power level.

As armies are released for the current edition of 40k, they are all being brought up to the same power level.

Try telling that to my friend who's (brand new) Harlequins army faced off against three Imperial Knights this last Sunday.

Balance in 40K is an illusion. You either agree to play a varied and thematic army, or you pay for the most powerful units (see: most expensive/newest) and use them at the expense of all else.

The entry level for the hobby is crazy, as well. So you like the look of the Adeptus Mechanicus, hey? Want to start an army? Cool, you'll need the 40K rulebook to start. £50, please. Now in order to use it, you'll need the Cult Mechanicus codex... another £20 please... oh, and probably Codex Skitarri as well... another £20... and you might as well get Codex: Imperial Knights as well, because, well, titans ...

That's over £100 before you've picked up a single model. You could easily drop £1,500 on a 1,500 point army, and you'd still only know the rules for the models you own. That's not a newbie-friendly product, and as existing players become illusioned or go elsewhere Games Workshop will find it increasingly difficult to replace them.

As armies are released for the current edition of 40k, they are all being brought up to the same power level.

Try telling that to my friend who's (brand new) Harlequins army faced off against three Imperial Knights this last Sunday.

Balance in 40K is an illusion. You either agree to play a varied and thematic army, or you pay for the most powerful units (see: most expensive/newest) and use them at the expense of all else.

What type of mission was your friend playing with his Harlequins? How was his list built? Did he try to win by objectives or go for the kill?

If you are just playing to straight up kill each other, then yeah, the knights are going to win. If you are playing a mission where controlling objectives is key, the Harlequins will win because they have more units that are more mobile. If you are playing a maelstrom mission, the Harlequins will win because they have more units that are more mobile. Having a shadow seer in ever unit of troops can effectively negate the advantage the Imperial Knights have over the Harlequins by taking away their range thanks to Veil of Tears. Also take into consideration that Veil of Tears will stop an Imperial Knight from shooting at multiple units if it fails to be in range of the unit. If he wants to kill the Knights, how many Haywire cannons does he have, is he trying to get units into as many armour arcs of a single knight as possible or is he pouring all of his shots into the Ion Shield? Does he have a unit that has nothing but Harlequin Caresses that will drop an Imperial Knight in a single round of combat?

Now, I'm not going to lie, there are armies that are harder to play than others. Space Marines are the quintessential beginners list because they are very forgiving of mistakes. Harlequins and Dark Eldar are at the opposite end of the spectrum because they are so fragile. If you make a mistake it is going to cost you. But if both are played correctly, they are devastating in their effectiveness.

The entry level for the hobby is crazy, as well. So you like the look of the Adeptus Mechanicus, hey? Want to start an army? Cool, you'll need the 40K rulebook to start. £50, please. Now in order to use it, you'll need the Cult Mechanicus codex... another £20 please... oh, and probably Codex Skitarri as well... another £20... and you might as well get Codex: Imperial Knights as well, because, well, titans ...

Actualy there is a good reason to pick up skitarii and Knights... It's also the reason why you'll want WD 69:

The Mechanicus war convocation formation

The most blatant broken/imba army since Unbound armies, and only eclipsed by the madness that is AoS.

Lemme explain: you have to pick a skitarii battle maniple, a battle corrugation detachment and a knight detachment. For that all your plasma weapons loose "gets hot" and all your wargear and weapon upgrades are FREE!

So a 1000 pts admech army is actually closer to a 1500 pts army gaaah!!!

BTW: I can't be the only one who thinks skitarrii and cult mechanicus should have been one codex.