Hey, look! this mean no ban list! nothing at all for the new standard! Isn't it awesome? seriously! But actually, for me, this would have been proven pretty usefull in the past *coughDeathEventcough*
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Something awesome from the early rotation.
Yes, but I expect Financial Troubles to get errata really quick.
Thats the concensus among the Rochester playgroup as well. We had Kohls visiting us the past few days, it was also his opinion some kind of errata was needed. Either it blows up if the cost is payed or make it worded so anti discard tech could work against it.
why whats wrong with financial troubles?
(not sure if thats sarcasm, if not)
No downside to it at all is what we've been noticing in all the matches we have been playing. I either draw 2 or you pitch a card...seems a but much. Card advantage wins games and its a bit to easy with this card to achieve that .
yea but you could easily stop it with its own ability. I mean its good but I dont think its that good where it should be banned or something like that.
I agree that Finacial Problems looks quite bad at the moment, because it makes you make a choice. But it is no worse than some of the other cards that have, in other blocks, seemed run of the mill. The Bigger They Are comes to mind most recently. It was card draw, with an added bonus of an extra card depending on HT. There have also been plenty of cheap hand control. Dan support and Jivatma support all made an impact, but nothing to the point of needing to be flushed.
At most, I think Finacial Problems should be errataed to say this:
F Commit: Draw 2 cards. Your opponent may discard a card to cancel the effect and have you discard a card.
There. It is now just a mix between Bigger They Are and War Between Sisters.
-Tinman
It seems fine at first glance, but that is when you are only considering the power of the card individually. Once your opponent gets 3 or 4 out, you are looking at allowing them to draw 6 to 8 cards, or discarding 3 to 4. That is half of your hand you must discard to prevent them from drawing. Most characters only have a 6 handsize now so I draw 6 or you discard 3, neither of those options sound good. This is the same problem we had with Bitter Rivals, most people looked at it and went "Oh, it's not that bad." But in multiples, it was absurd.
If it gets errata so that your opponent discards a card to destroy it, then people will not play it.
Ender Dragon said:
It seems fine at first glance, but that is when you are only considering the power of the card individually. Once your opponent gets 3 or 4 out, you are looking at allowing them to draw 6 to 8 cards, or discarding 3 to 4. That is half of your hand you must discard to prevent them from drawing. Most characters only have a 6 handsize now so I draw 6 or you discard 3, neither of those options sound good. This is the same problem we had with Bitter Rivals, most people looked at it and went "Oh, it's not that bad." But in multiples, it was absurd.
If it gets errata so that your opponent discards a card to destroy it, then people will not play it.
then why not just ban it then if you dont want people to play it? while were at it why dont we get rid of Path of the master as well?
Better bust out those MACs lol!
What did I miss? What early rotation? I haven't seen a State of the Game since July...Would anyone please care to explain or point me to the correct thread. And please also forgive my ignorance.
Well, um, heres the hard and fast version:
Genconhappenedandwhilepeoplewheretheretheywerelike'dude,lookatmycardstheyaresobroke'
officialpeoplewerelike'dude,youaresorightwecanfixit'dundadunFixomation!
*Wave Magic Wand*
CYCLE
Welcome to the Five Pointed World. Our special today is a large helping of Fun, with a side of optional Creativity and Freedom.
-Tinman
But yes, with the release of Tekken, 4 star cards are now legacy(yes, even characters *Jubei and Victor Cry*), and 5 pointed is the new standard.
Blah. This turned into a ban/errata thread.
It only took one day. Boo, I say.
bloodocean said:
Thats the concensus among the Rochester playgroup as well. We had Kohls visiting us the past few days, it was also his opinion some kind of errata was needed. Either it blows up if the cost is payed or make it worded so anti discard tech could work against it.
Really? I thought the anti-discard would work still. I guess I am wrong on that and think it deserves an errata so that it does work like I thought it did cause this card alone have no draw back. It's better than "The bigger they are" cause it's 1 committal for 2 cards or get your opponent to discard 1 card.
THere are already a few "R: after your opponent plays a card or ability that adds cards to their hand" type cards and i expect there to be more...
Maybe next SC set will have an Armored Defense/ToS
Why doesn't the anti-discard stuff work?
Centipede said:
Why doesn't the anti-discard stuff work?
It doesn't work against stuff like Financial Troubles.
Ender Dragon said:
It seems fine at first glance, but that is when you are only considering the power of the card individually. Once your opponent gets 3 or 4 out, you are looking at allowing them to draw 6 to 8 cards, or discarding 3 to 4. That is half of your hand you must discard to prevent them from drawing. Most characters only have a 6 handsize now so I draw 6 or you discard 3, neither of those options sound good. This is the same problem we had with Bitter Rivals, most people looked at it and went "Oh, it's not that bad." But in multiples, it was absurd.
If it gets errata so that your opponent discards a card to destroy it, then people will not play it.
How is this any worse then say Thunderfoot? Your opponent had 3-4 of those out, you ditch 3 to 4 cards every turn. Except this card gives you an option of what to do. Don't care if your opponent draws some cards because you have everything you need to protect yoursef, let them draw. You don't want them drawing a bunch, save cards in your hand to stop the effect. Play cards like Laughable, make them think twice about even using the card. "You want to commit all your Finacial Troubles so I can discard all my cards in my hand? Sure hope you like up to -12 damage to all your attacks your throwing at me this turn."
Naturally, I want a banned list.
Nao
guitalex2008 said:
Blah. This turned into a ban/errata thread.
It only took one day. Boo, I say.
MarcoPulleaux said:
Naturally, I want a banned list.
Nao
yea yea of course you want a banned list.
so here you go...
Thank you so much, Tinman, and I lolled at that!
It actually doesn't change much for me since that's exactly what I was playing, only I was waiting for next year so I could "join" standard.
I guess it's more like "standard" actually joined "me".
A very positive move for UFS, I applaud. Let's forget about the horrible sets from 2007-2008 and let's move on!
as far as financial troubles, print up a foundation/asset "R Commit: After your opponent plays an ability that draws X cards, you draw double X cards"
Play it on the first FT, and you can negate all 4 copies of FT with one copy of the answer.
Smazzurco said:
as far as financial troubles, print up a foundation/asset "R Commit: After your opponent plays an ability that draws X cards, you draw double X cards"
Play it on the first FT, and you can negate all 4 copies of FT with one copy of the answer.
That's called Rat Chaser.
JDub said:
Smazzurco said:
as far as financial troubles, print up a foundation/asset "R Commit: After your opponent plays an ability that draws X cards, you draw double X cards"
Play it on the first FT, and you can negate all 4 copies of FT with one copy of the answer.
That's called Rat Chaser.
Rat chaser allows you to draw after your opponent draws cards.