Maybe they based their avalibility on another party, and have been toyed with as well... this often happens I think with Amazon orders.

I picked up a copy of this book at my local gamer shop just this past week.

OUTSTANDING!

I like how the book is broken down - each Ordo basically gets a section all to itself, with some creamy fluffy stuff on top for what I can only call 'non denominational' heresies (the logicians for example). I have not yet finished reading the entire book yet, but there is a lot of detail to absorb. I should find plenty to torment my players with over the next couple months.

I cancelled my Amazon order and bought it off a store on Ebay and it has been worth the $5 saves I gave up!

The book is organized well and looks amazing. As stated before, the chapters are broken up relative to Ordos and then adds information about internal factions within the Ordos themselves. It is almost exclusively a GM book with very little extra from PCs (such as new powers and things to purchase), although it does have a few new psychic powers/sorceries and rules from daemonic weapons (go Radicals!).

I think the thing I liked best is there is a lot of information for each cult/group and yet it is deliberately left open-ended for the GM to build on. It has information about events that have been mentioned in the fluff, the online time-line and the released adventures. Each of the cults/threats are different in design, from subtle behind-the-scenes power-hungry evil right up to the rampaging chaos hordes with no goal but death! There is definitely something for every campaign.

Now to patiently wait for Creatures...

-Cynr

Cynr said:

So when my DotDG wait is over, I got to do this all over again with Creatures Anathema?

Seriously, is there a way for us to log complaints with FFG? Ive never had a problem getting a book from any other company!

I ordered my DotDG direct from FFG. I received it w/in 3 days. Several copies appear on the shelf of my UFLGS the day before it arrived in the mail. Also sighted a copy at my local Barnes & Noble.

Didn't want to rub it in faces of unfortunates that do not have book yet, but I don't think they're any reason to complain about FFG on this one.

I was lucky, got my copy of DotDG at 11:45am on December 6th at my local gaming store; I'm on their pre-order list for the DH books as they release. I must say, I am quite pleased with it; and it is worth the wait folks.

Says the man who has had his copy for two weeks now. But honestly, the book is beautifully composed. So console yourselves on the fact that you will not be disappointed. The book is laden with a plethora of cults, daemons and more. New minor and major psychic abilities. All sorts of new Heresies to throw at your retinue of Acolytes.

If the copy I orderd from FFG game gets here before teh Troll and Toad copy, so help me.....

While I have serious doubts at this time that I will see a copy of DotDG before Christmas day, I have at least been appeased by my bookseller. One clerk took it upon herself to look more closely at the situation and is working on ordering the book from another source other than Diamond. Her solution is that if Diamond is not taking the order in for me, she will get it from someone else and once the copy is in my hand, cancel whatever more warp-spawned items Diamond was supposed to get for me. If it works, she will do the same for any of my other pre-orders.

Someone taking the time to do that without my prompting goes a long way to securing my future business.

DocIII said:

I'm with Doc on this one. I have ordered twice from the FFG store and both times received my order very promptly. The only reason I didn't order DotDG from them is that the day it became available on their online store, my local retailer told me to expect the book in 2 days time (and followed through).

That said, probably the one place I would shake a finger at FFG is the lack of a concrete, communicated release date. A great many of us asked the question "when will it be available?" and never got an answer. I don't know if this is par for the course with this company, but it's not what I'm used to with most media whose release I am awaiting.

I recently picked up DotDG and I have to say that Im extremely pleased and impressed with it. The content is a goldmine of excllent campaign ideas and adventure seeds. It also doesnt hurt that it looks so nice . I know its only been out a while but I was wondering are there any plans to put the adventure handouts up as downloads as they are a little awkward to photocopy without damaging the spine (a blank "Most wanted" sheet would also be a very welcome download).

Should be getting it for christmas...

Quick question: Does it have an expanded mutations table like in Tome of Corruption?

not as such, no. But it does cover new talents/skills. there is also a (very) brief overview of daemon weapons and chaos rituals. If the book has a shortcoming, it's that those sections felt rather abbreviated to me. I would like to have seen a more in depth discussion on the weapons, artifacts and icons of the various heretical cults. actually, a 'gear book' on the Dark Heresy universe would make my crunchy little heart go pitter-patter off into the night, but that's just me.

As to your question, no - there is no 'master table' of chaos mutations. that said, I don't see why you couldn't modify the table from Tome of Corruption and use it for your own 40k mutants.

Thanks,

Bummer. I'll just contine doing just as you said, using the Tome of Corruption list.

Or just use the originals from Realms of Chaos.

weaver95 said:

Becasue Dark Heresy should be stand alone without having to fall back on WFRP 2E for rules and charts.

Peacekeeper_b said:

I agree. I bought Dark Heresy, not Warhammer Fantasy, and would rather a rulebook in the 40k setting.

Wilfred Owen said:

Dont get me wring, i think it is cool that the two games are so well compatible, and once 40KRPG gets the axe (and we all know it will, it is doing to well for GW not to screw it) I look forward to many fan versions of the updated versions of the game.

And right now its no problem to roll on a few charts in Tome of Corruption, or to port over a rule or two, but I shouldnt have to. They need to make a Dark Heresy Rules Companion that has the Xenos Generator and Poison rules from GMS Kit, the Vehicles rules, expanded chaos mutations, Dark Heresy versions of disease and social interaction rules and a few new origins and maybe a new career in it as well as a handful of encounters in it. Based on the well of artwork they can pool from, and the material virtually already existing, I think this is a reasonable book request that could be out before spring. Although Im a shame to say, FFG will probably want to make it hardcover with no or very little grey scale images in it.

I think Im the only one in the verse who thinks the WFRP Companion was one of the best books put out for WFRP 2E.

Got back from abroad to find my copy of DotG from Troll and Toad waiting for me. Don't know what day it got in, but hopefully you'll be seeing your copy soon, Peacekeeper.

Snidesworth said:

Well it did have to go to New York first before being sent to my base in Germany, but still I WANT IT NOW

There are a couple of additional mutation tables in there for particular creatures, but no mutation table that takes up its own chapter in the book.

Edit: ****, didn't see that there was another page of posts after the one I replied to...

Peacekeeper_b said:

Thing is, the WFRP mutation tables are very specific in approach - each result is a specific mutation table, and the bigger mutation tables just include more results.

The Dark Heresy ones - all four... or perhaps five... of them now (Minor and Major Mutations in the Rulebook - the Unholy Changes table for Daemonhosts works as a mutations table as well - and the Shrouded Mutations and Revelation Made Flesh tables in Disciples of the Dark Gods) take a different tack - each result describes an effect more than a specific mutation, leaving the details of the mutation (such as appearance) up to the GM. The latter two are intended for specific creatures (the former for masters of the Pale Throng, the latter for Chaos Spawn), but it's not exactly difficult to use them whenever appropriate. I've found that it's a lot easier to get extensive use out of the more effect-focussed DH mutation tables than the much broader and more unwieldy WFRP ones.

As for absent rules... this is only the third sourcebook ever for Dark Heresy. WFRP 2nd Edition has an abundance of rules for a great many things mainly because the range has been around longer and contains more books. Additional rules to cover all manner of things will no doubt come as time passes and the range expands further, especially if you include the Rogue Trader and Deathwatch ranges in that.

I'VE GOT IT !!!!!!!

Glory to Him On Earth, Saint Sabbat Beati and Saint Drusus !!!

The transit through the warp is definitely over, and if I had one regret left, it would be that had I reacted sooner and shifted my order to Noble Knight Games faster, I would have been more ready for this week's game session.

Copy arrived this morning from Amazon UK.

Overall I'm glad I stuck with them, might not have got it straight away but at £20 I think it was worth it. Briefly flicked through it, looks like a great book.

Rejoice for I am true and received the Emperor's Benediction today as my copy is at long last in my hands.

The experiment of ordering another copy has paid off and it looks bad for Troll and Toad as I ordered that copy on DEC 9th and have yet to get it, whereas the copy I got today straight from FFG was ordered on the 17th.

Now, unfortunately, Slaneesh conspires against me as my female wishes to spend time together, while the book calls to me.

Ill read it tonight.

PK B

Huzzah for Pk B!

Maybe there is hope that my copy may yet escape the Geller fields of the pre-Christmas warp.