When a Plague worm uses an action to Burrow and move 3 spaces away, does water still count as 2 movement points?

Nope, this is because burrow does not 'move' via movement points. You simply nominate a space within 3 and appear there. The exception is that you cannot burrow to spaces if you cant count the squares to it (for example, through a closed door).

Nope, this is because burrow does not 'move' via movement points. You simply nominate a space within 3 and appear there. The exception is that you cannot burrow to spaces if you cant count the squares to it (for example, through a closed door).

The other notable exception is obstacle terrain- you cannot count an obstacle when counting. Otherwise, a space is a space is a space.

And Zaltyre picks up the fumble from Underworld and saves him some blushes

What fumble? Your answer was correct. I just chimed in with some supplemental info.

Other serious ( ) question related to the topic.

Can a Plague Worm burrow in water or lava?

Yes. As stated earlier, as long as they can count spaces, they can burrow. You cannot count spaces through closed doors, or obstacle terrain. Other terrain, and and spaces occupied or unoccupied count as 1 space, and can be burrowed to/through.

Are you guys sure this is right? According to the unofficial FAQ - the "FFG Sez" one:

Q: Can monsters with Fly ability move over (through) obstacles?

A: Obstacles are considered terrain for the purposes of movement, so monsters with Fly can indeed ignore them when moving. (1)

This imples that counting spaces for movement counts non-wall, non-door obstacles as Terrain. Burrow isn't Fly, but if you can count spaces for Fly through Obstacle Terrain then you should be able to for Burrow (and Knockback, or anything else that moves something + ignores Terrain), right?

- Jee

This is an incorrect interpretation - flying figures can only move through obstacle spaces because fly specifically states to ignore the effect of obstacle terrain while moving. They CANNOT count spaces through obstacle terrain for non-movement abilities. There was another recent response that I can find that explicitly stated you cannot count spaces through obstacle terrain for range or other abilities.

That part is also in the rulebook, under obstacle terrain.

I can't find it either.

The Rulebook says:

Obstacles are defined by a red line surrounding

their spaces. These spaces are treated as blocked

spaces; they block movement and line of sight.

It doesn't saying anything about counting spaces for abilities. The FAQ mentions that you can't count through doors or walls, but makes no mention of "Blocked Spaces" or Obstacles. The above references Obstacles as spaces, so that also implies you can count through for them non-LOS based abilities. I've always been under the impression that knockback could send you over Obstacle Terrain (or Summoned Stones, which count as Obstacles), and that teleports of any kind (like Astarra's or the Plague Worm's Burrow) could go straight through them provided that the target space(s) was a legal drop for the figure..

If you find that recent response you mentioned, please post it.

EDIT: Speaking of Astarra, I found this on the Unofficial FAQ:

Q: When Astarra moves using her ability, does she actually have to trace a path on the map to reach the target square, or just place herself adjacent to the hero? Would monsters in between her and the hero block her movement? Would she suffer from effects such as lava or freezing? Can the OL pit trap her during this movement?

A: Astarra is removed and placed, so there are no terrain or obstacle effects to hinder that movement. However, she is entering an empty space, so the overlord could play a Pit Trap.

- Jee

Here it is. I was wrong about the rulebook- the operative sentence is on page 13, in the paragraph about counting spaces, not in the obstacle terrain section itself. You ignore non-obstacle terrain and figures when counting spaces. You cannot ignore obstacles when counting- this is spelled out in the linked thread.

"Fly" is a keyword that specifically allows figures to ignore other figures and all terrain when moving. Non-movement abilities are subject to the obstacle restriction like everything else for flying figures.

Plague worms don't even have fly- though burrow is not a movement ability, anyway, it's a "remove and place".

Well, that certainly makes obstacles mildly more interesting. And gives the Geomancer more options.

Given this, what do you make of FFG's answer regarding Astarra's ability that I posted above?

Well, that certainly makes obstacles mildly more interesting. And gives the Geomancer more options.

Given this, what do you make of FFG's answer regarding Astarra's ability that I posted above?

I think that it is poorly worded. It is true that figure, water, pit spaces, elevation lines, etc cannot stop Astarra- the only things that really can are obstacle spaces and closed doors. It's strange that they said "terrain or obstacle" as obstacles are terrain. The only thing I can reasonably infer is that the writer of that answer meant:

terrain: non-obstacle terrain

obstacle: space blocked by another figure

which is not the standard use of those terms. I am very certain about the implications of obstacle spaces- you cannot count through them- remove and place abilities require counting from the space that you left, and therefore you must be aware of these spaces.

do summoning stones (geomancer) count for astarra's hero ability. though not hero figures are they like hero obstacles?

Summoned stones are not heroes for Astarra's ability.