It's not what you fly or how you fly it, it's attitude. Flying a Fat Han from the interwebs isn't not flying casual. The thing with Roark from the last page is.

Have fun. Be a good sport. Don't be a jerk.

My interpretation of it (and the interpretation of people I usually play with) is that it's pretty much the EXACT OPPOSITE of Privateer Press' ill-conceived Page 5 garbage. What started as marketing aimed mostly at defensive shooty armies of GW at the time became an excuse for unmitigated ******-baggery in my area. While PP tried to back down from it in their second edition, the damage has been done. You can't target the masculinity of your (mostly male) primary demo, appeal to stereotypes of gamers and then try a "JK, lulz, just have fun!" sort of take-back.

"Fly casual" is the total opposite of all that. It recognizes that we are all nerds to varying levels who just want to play a game with our plastic spaceships against friends, whether you've known them for ten years or ten minutes.

I think it comes from FFG's background in board games. These are games, first and foremost. Other miniatures games have the unspoken attitude that, "if you aren't winning, you're doing something wrong."

"Fly Casual" instead says, "if both players aren't having fun, you're doing something wrong."

The Oicunn match is available on youtube, on FCB games' channel I think, so if you really want to experience the awesome tactic, have at it.

The general consensus is that I'm too harsh on this player. I wonder therefore, if there is any tactic or means of playing X-wing that you'd be considered low/cheap/outside of the spirit of the game?

The Oicunn match is available on youtube, on FCB games' channel I think, so if you really want to experience the awesome tactic, have at it.

The general consensus is that I'm too harsh on this player. I wonder therefore, if there is any tactic or means of playing X-wing that you'd be considered low/cheap/outside of the spirit of the game?

I don't think there's any tactic that's somehow a breach of Fly Casual. It's much more the other player's manner and attitude. Fortressing is fairly widely loathed because it's seen as an exploit rather than a tactic, it grates hard against the thematics of the game (picture two YTs locked together by the mandibles with engines on full in opposite directions) and it's not fun to play or play against. However, the reason FFG hasn't done anything about it is because it's not widespread and it frankly sucks as a strategy, it's too rare to be problem.

It's more atttitude than anything else. Nobody likes to be stunlocked, which is why I imagine you hated that Oicunn ram so much, but he must have worked hard or been very lucky to set that up, and it's not as if he just nicked that off the Top 8 Worlds rankings, he came up with it himself.

If you want an example of not flying casual, this is a really good one. (Fairly sure the poster was joking so don't judge 'im for it)

It means I table you 100-0, you casual, and then break down point-by-point exactly how my superior choices led to your utter defeat.

Where is your fun list now, scrub!?

The players who deride anyone who they see as "not in their league" as "scrubs" are not flying casual. The players who object strongly to other players allowing their opponents to do forgotten actions and triggers are not flying casual (note that's different from not letting your opponent do forgotten actions). The player mentioned on Page 2 who rushes timing windows to try and stop his opponent using Roark is not flying casual. However, I'd argue it's possible to turn up with a Falcon Fortress and still fly casual. It's not what you fly and it's not the tactical decisions you make, it's your attitude to the game.

TIE Pilot has it. Fly Casual isn't about what anyone else is doing, and it's certainly not a bludgeon to hit other people with until they play what and how you want them to.

It's about your own behavior. It's about seeing yourself--and presenting yourself--as an ambassador for the game rather than a soldier ready to crush his or her enemies. And it's about finding a way to have fun regardless of what exactly is happening on the table.

The Oicunn match is available on youtube, on FCB games' channel I think, so if you really want to experience the awesome tactic, have at it.

The general consensus is that I'm too harsh on this player. I wonder therefore, if there is any tactic or means of playing X-wing that you'd be considered low/cheap/outside of the spirit of the game?

flying primary weapon or mangler outrider turrets in general I'd say is outside the spirit of a game based on tactical maneuvering.

but some of the folks around me enjoy them, so it'd be an ******* move to antagonize them for using ships they like to fly when it's the sh*tty rule at fault. Instead, I just keep a tie swarm or a bunch of B-wings handy

anyway, Oicuun deserve a **** medal for turning an otherwise borefest into a hilarious spectacle (just think about how they got into that situation in the first place, because it sure as hell had nothing to do with dice )

I wasn't sure what 'Page 5' might mean, so of course I turn to Google for the answer.

Warning: Not suitable for wussies!

Sissies. Little girls. Nancy boys... go home. This game is not for you.

Oh.

Oh my.

Get some booze, warm up the sauna, play the game with your best buddy, solve the world's problems while you are there and forget the solutions by morning.

That is best in life! -no, I meant, that is flying casual. (Finnish way that is)

In all honesty, I was quoting a Klingon

oh!

sorry about that, I misinterpreted the source

I tried googling the quote to make sure and couldn't find it, so I fell back to the assumption that it was something from 40k. In fact, it sounds exactly like something a dawn of war space marine would say

(to be fair, dawn of war is an awesome series of games --minus soulstorm--with quality unexpected from GW or GW offloaded ips)

so I thought it was meant to be taken seriously, because in the 40k universe lines like that are super ceral (there is only war) as opposed to Star Trek where opposing ideologies make the Klingdon's ways out to be...not entirely universally appealing (but awesome to watch)

No problem. It comes from Star Fleet Battles' Tactics Manual.

The Oicunn match is available on youtube, on FCB games' channel I think, so if you really want to experience the awesome tactic, have at it.

The general consensus is that I'm too harsh on this player. I wonder therefore, if there is any tactic or means of playing X-wing that you'd be considered low/cheap/outside of the spirit of the game?

I agree with Tie Pilot. Tactics, in and of themselves, are just ways to defeat your opponent. As long as they fall within the rules (given that this is a game), I'm fine with them. Deliberately avoiding attacking, while preventing your opponent from attacking (in order to run time out, say) is not a tactic, and is outside of the spirit of the game.

The Oicunn match is available on youtube, on FCB games' channel I think, so if you really want to experience the awesome tactic, have at it.

The general consensus is that I'm too harsh on this player. I wonder therefore, if there is any tactic or means of playing X-wing that you'd be considered low/cheap/outside of the spirit of the game?

I agree with Tie Pilot. Tactics, in and of themselves, are just ways to defeat your opponent. As long as they fall within the rules (given that this is a game), I'm fine with them. Deliberately avoiding attacking, while preventing your opponent from attacking (in order to run time out, say) is not a tactic, and is outside of the spirit of the game.

actually, that is a tactic. Engaging a superior foe in a suicidal attack when you have the advantage is not.

it's a **** move, though

The Oicunn match is available on youtube, on FCB games' channel I think, so if you really want to experience the awesome tactic, have at it.

The general consensus is that I'm too harsh on this player. I wonder therefore, if there is any tactic or means of playing X-wing that you'd be considered low/cheap/outside of the spirit of the game?

I agree with Tie Pilot. Tactics, in and of themselves, are just ways to defeat your opponent. As long as they fall within the rules (given that this is a game), I'm fine with them. Deliberately avoiding attacking, while preventing your opponent from attacking (in order to run time out, say) is not a tactic, and is outside of the spirit of the game.

actually, that is a tactic. Engaging a superior foe in a suicidal attack when you have the advantage is not.

it's a **** move, though

Still better than that fortress bullcrap, now thats just being an ahole.

Fly casual to me?

Don't be a ****.

Casual play or tournament, you forget your action? Then of course you can take it now.

If other ships have moved or the state of play has changed then no barrel rolls or boosts.

If I need to pull that kind of sh*t to win a game then I would feel I didn't win.

Tactics are all valid. Fortressing is lame, but I wouldn't cry about it.

I've seen threads where people have openly said they'd ask for their opponent to be disqualified for modifying their ship (rotated B-wings). That's not on in my book. That's playing for unfair advantage, if you need that kind of thing to win you're a loser.

Basically I play games(not just xwing) for fun.

I played games all day yesterday with friends and I honestly couldn't tell you which games I won or lost. I just don't care. I had a great day