i want this to happen becauase it would balance what lacks now and even before most the characters was'nt seeing any play which would be good now if it did. besides this is the last remaining street fighter and snk set.

I wouldn't mind it, just makes Hugo that much more ridiculous though.

Hugo and Sogetsu support adds alot more card draw back into the current rotation and Sardine Beach Special can add one shot kill into stall decks once again. It wouldn't be a terrible idea but I think I enjoy just the two new sets better.

what would be the problem with card draw? there is no milling in this format and i feel it would be a waste not to let these two sets showcase in the new rotation. considering certain characters got no burn ever since it came out, but now they would fit just right only to ban hugo and crimnal past to prevent stalling. i can mention alot of things that would help support alot characters with these two sets. and so what with draw power we got martial art champ?

I don't think I phrased my post correctly. I'm actually excited to have more card draw in the format but not so excited about the one shot kill potential. Sorry about the misunderstanding.

I think aside for order and water, the set would boost symbols that are already the "top tier" symbols of the game right now; they're not bad sets, i just don't think it'd be healthy for the meta, although i want SF/SS sets

After looking, and looking, and testing, and thinking. I have decided NOT to include Warrior's Dream and Flames of Fame in rotation at my store. Simply put, the cards are too strong still. The characters however, are not, and will stay for the most part.

Simply put, some of the cards in Set 11 still outclass the cards in set 12 a little too much. For example, why run Lu Chen when R.Mika is pretty blatantly superior?

also, Sogetsu and Hugo.

also, blocking is too easy with set 11 cards in the mix.

Including Flames/Dream would mean including Hulking Brute/Criminal Past/Giant of a Man.

Which means no, I don't think they should be included. Card draw in Death and Earth (plus easy cheese block ability) was a huge part of what pushed Death and Earth over the edge at worlds, and to include it in this environment would simply be too much.

Archimedes said:

Not entirely. What pushed Death and Earth over was a combined effort of Death's universal control and Earth's reduction/gain that didn't have to fear Olcadan's or Chester's, two cards that kept Death and Earth down (because it's not like when the bans happened Death and Earth received draw; they've had Hulking/Giant forever).

I don't mind when other symbols perform new tricks necessarily, but draw needs to be limited to stuff like Dancing Battle Kabuki and Queen's Champion.

I too have thought about carrying them over, but it was a set that was designed during UFS' infamous power creep (the "oh look, 10 good cards, the rest are garbage" phase). While I'm OK with stuff like Kazuki, Weapons are Unnecessary, Jeff's Gloves, etc, there's a larger host of cards I'm completely unease with (pretty much any of Sogetsu's cards)

MarcoPulleaux said:

Actually the best Earth deck at Worlds was drawing on pace where he was keeping up with Donnovan, and out drawing Donny at times.

A Key piece of that was Hulking Brute and Huge Wrestling Army.

Earth DOES NOT need that post rotation.

Additionally King does not Need Hip Buster.

Did the removal of Olcadan's and Chester's help? Yes, but Earth was already knocking on the door. I remember a discussion with Matt Kohls prior to rotation (of the 3-star cards) taking place where he had been suffering through Bittner running an Earth based Bishimon, and Matt was concerned that it (and Earth) were going to be a top tier symbol post rotation.

Archimedes said:

i agree with statement. death and earth are very strong already, don't push them over the edge.

No card with 4 points should stay, i think we should play standard the way it is now, give it a chance to settle in and see how it progresses, i know people are upset that the cards they paid good money for are gone at this point, but bringing them back into the environment isnt going to help what the early rotation did to help the game. So i for one am okay with the short lived life of those sets for the betterment of the game, we have a clean pool now and i would rather not have anyone pee in it at this point

Nope Karaoke Idol is too good and would break the format lol

Absolutly not. Hugo, any of his foundation support (it's all good), Sogetsu and his foundation support (again it's all good)... Sardine Beach Special? Yeah no thanks.

G Phantom is exceptionally too good in a format that limited. There are other cards that are really just mindless includes because of how much they outclass everything (aquakenisis, American Made, the SNK box topper and prerelease card, etc). Rotate them, I'm sick of them

i respect everyone opinion and i really find it helpful to understand where you guys come from about not wanting it. i know for sure there are many cards people dont want in those sets. i thought of course if the sets were legal to ban hugo and criminal past but other cards you guys mention would be too much to deal with.

i only post this topic because of what is missing from what we don't have now, like momentum gain and draw power and blocking cards which is more acceptible then just milling or stalling. but even so if you wanted to make it your choice to just run a big deck and big character and just sit there all day and not do anything make it more lame of course with the lack of fierce attacking we have now.

i had this random thought that if this game is universal that all sets were legal, BUT you could only choose 1 card, 1copy from each set that is rotated and promo set meaning the time it was release along with others. i would call it the fighters history format

Goo said:

I conceed that there isn't free momentum Gen in the format, and I think the format is better for it, because you have to attack to get momentum. As opposed to "Woop, I have free momentum, time to win."

However I argue against your notion that there is no card draw in the Format. I was running a deck that would spam out 5 cards on his turn, and still have 5 cards in hand at the end of turn. Viewtiful Joe and others faced it, and saw the card draw that is currently available. It's far more then folks are thinking, however it's also restricted to the two symbols where Card Draw falls in house: Order and All.

Earth, Void, and Water are not Card Draw symbols.

Grizzlegrom said:

This! And Nama Abi Dabi.. , which, I am told, means Karaoke Idol in Inuit <that is what Gaira is right?>

But seriously Goo, I like the idea of a restricted Legacy format (Fighter's History). Putting restrictions on deck building is always good fun.

- dut