Tales from the Red Keep Spoilers

By ktom, in 1. AGoT General Discussion

The CP was available at Gencon. Lot's of Greyjoy love, I think...

For those who were not able to go:

F61 (x1) – Sansa Stark
Unique Stark character
Cost = 2
STR = 2
Icons = I, P
Traits = Lady
If there are no cards in Shadows, Sansa Stark gets +2 STR, a NOBLE crest, and gains Renown.

F62 (x1) – Ser Dontos Hollard
Unique Stark character
Cost = 3
STR = 1
Icons = M, P
Traits = Knight, Fool
No attachments except Weapon
Response: Stand Ser Dontos Hollard to save a Lady character from being killed or discarded from play.

F63 (x3) – Maester Malleon’s Tome
Unique Stark attachment
Cost = s2
Traits = Item
Crest = Shadows
House Stark only. Attached character gains an (INT) icon.
Response: After Maester Malleon’s Tome comes out of Shadows, attach it to a unique character. Then, if it is Winter, look at an opponent’s unused plot deck and move a plot card from that plot deck to that player’s used plot pile.

F64 (x1) – Joffrey Baratheon
Unique Lannister character
Cost = 3
STR = 3
Icons = P
Traits = Lord
Crest = Noble
Immune to triggered effects.
Response: After an opponent’s character is knelt, pay 1 gold to stand Joffrey Baratheon. Then he claims a power.

F65 (x3) – Flogged and Chained
Lannister attachment
Cost = 2
Traits = Condition
Attach to a non-Army character.
Response: After a character is knelt by a triggered effect, kneel attached character.

F66 (x1) – The Queen of Thorns
Unique Baratheon character
Cost = s1
STR = 3
Icons = I, P
Traits = House Tyrell, Lady
Crest = Shadows
House Baratheon only
Response: After a card comes out of Shadows, The Queen of Thorns claims 1 power. (Limit 1 per phase.)

F67 (x1) – Margaery Tyrell
Unique Baratheon character
Cost = 3
STR = 3
Icons = I, P
Traits = House Tyrell, Lady
Crest = Noble
Response: After a card comes out of Shadows, choose a non-Lady character. Until the end of the phase, treat that character as if its printed text box was blank.

F68 (x3) – The Black Cells
Baratheon location
Cost = s1
Traits = King’s Landing
Crest = Shadows
House Baratheon only
Response: After a card comes out of Shadows, kneel The Black Cells to choose an opponent’s character. Until the end of the phase, that character cannot kneel or stand.

F69 (x3) – Distinguished Boatswain
Greyjoy character
Cost = 1
STR = 4
Icons = M, P
Traits = Ironborn
Distinguished Boatswain gets -2 STR for each card in Shadows.

F70 (x3) – Blackwater Raiders
Greyjoy character
Cost = s2
STR = 2
Icons = M, P
Traits = Army, Mercenary
Crest = Shadows
House Greyjoy only. No attachments except Weapon.
Response: After Blackwater Raiders come out of Shadowsm choose a location in an opponent’s discard pile. Put that location into play under your control.

F71 (x3) – Scurvy
Greyjoy attachment
Cost = 1
Traits = Condition
Attach to an opponent’s character, then draw a card.
Attached character cannot be saved.

F72 (x3) – Fishmonger’s Square
Unique Greyjoy location
Cost = 1
Traits = King’s Landing
No attachments.
Response: After an attachment or event card is discarded from a player’s deck, kneel Fishmonger’s Square to draw 2 cards.

F73 (x3) – Daemon Blackfyre (and yes, the “x3” is correct)
Unique Targaryen character
Cost = 4
STR = 4
Icons = M, P
Traits = Bastard
Renown. (Targ) characters you control gain a (WAR) crest.

F74 (x3) – The Dragonpit
Unique Targaryen location
Cost = 3
Traits = King’s Landing
House Targaryen only.
If you have at least 1 card in Shadows, any characters controlled by opponents who do not have more cards in Shadows than you do get -1 STR.

F75 (x1) – The Red Viper
Unique Martell character
Cost = 5
STR = 4
Icons = M, I, P
Traits = Lord
Crest = Noble
House Martell only.
If you are not running an Agenda, The Red Viper gains: “Response: After The Red Viper is killed, kill all characters in play.”

F76 (x3) – The Viper’s Revenge
Event
House Martell only
Response: After you lose a challenge by 4 or more total STR as the defender, all characters controlled by the attacker lose a (MIL), an (INT) and a (POW) icon until the end of the phase.

F77 (x1) – Syrio Forel
Unique neutral character
Cost = s0
STR = 2
Icons = M
Traits = Ally
Crest = Shadows
Stealth.
Response: After you win a challenge in which Syrio Forel participated, put him into Shadows.

F78 (x1) – The Red Keep
Unique neutral location
Cost = s1
Traits = King’s Landing
Crest = Shadows
No attachments. If The Red Keep would leave play, it goes into Shadows instead of going to its owner’s hand, deck, discard or dead pile.
3 INFLUENCE

F79 (x1) – The White Book
Agenda
If you control at least 1 Kingsguard character, claim 1 power for your House each time you successfully defend a challenge.
Each time you lose a challenge as the attacker, kneel a standing Kingsguard character you control or discard 1 power from your House.

F80 (x1) – City of Spiders
Plot
Gold = 1
Initiative = 0
Claim = 2
Traits = City.
When revealed, you may trigger the “when revealed” effect of any City plot in your used pile.

1.) Scurvy: Useful cantrip. Unfortunately it competes with support for harlaw and fishing net. But something I'm going to check out.

2. Those shadow crest guys: Rather good after a fleeing to the wall.

3.) the 1/4 sounds good, but bear in mind... he becomes claim soak really quick, unless you milk him. Fishwhiskers is a better buy in my opinion.

4.) The square... no comment (I'll provde feedback when I sit across from you :-P)

Just my opionon on the Greyjoy love.

I like Daemon... Targ can always use more renown.... now they have Barry, Dany, and him. GO TEAM RENOWN!

But I think Bara got the real love this set.

bloodycelt said:

1.) Scurvy: Useful cantrip. Unfortunately it competes with support for harlaw and fishing net. But something I'm going to check out.

It should be competing with other draw, not character control/modification that happen to be attachments.

Wow, maybe it's just the newness of the cards, but this chapter pack seems to have a lot more interesting cards overall than the previous ones in this cycle.

Regarding The Black Cells, if a character can not kneel, is it also incapable of attacking or defending (assuming it doesn't have the "does not kneel to attack or defend" ability)?

The wording on The Viper's Revenge is a little curious to me -- why does it say "a (MIL), an (INT) and a (POW) icon" rather than just "loses all icons"?

It will be interesting to see how the shadows mechanic as a whole pans out and what that means for Sansa and the boaswain. Also, Syrio looks like he would be a lot of fun in a deck with a bunch of sweepers (like the new Viper).

ktom said:

bloodycelt said:

1.) Scurvy: Useful cantrip. Unfortunately it competes with support for harlaw and fishing net. But something I'm going to check out.

It should be competing with other draw, not character control/modification that happen to be attachments.

Is draw for greyjoy really that bad so a one time draw one card effect is even a consideration? The card seems to be utterly useless as far as I can see.

Wow, those are some great cards...I'm really happy with the way things are going. Thank you very much for the spoilers, Ktom!

By the way, Can the Red Viper's effect be used if he is saved and return to hand (using Retreat)? Probably not, but just curious.

schrecklich said:

Regarding The Black Cells, if a character can not kneel, is it also incapable of attacking or defending (assuming it doesn't have the "does not kneel to attack or defend" ability)?

Yup. If it can't kneel, it can't participate in a challenge - unless some other effect lets it participate without kneeling.

schrecklich said:

The wording on The Viper's Revenge is a little curious to me -- why does it say "a (MIL), an (INT) and a (POW) icon" rather than just "loses all icons"?

Let's say I'm playing Greyjoy and I do a military challenge against you for 4. You let it go unopposed, then play this card so that my Seaside Urchin (who has a printed intrigue icon) loses "all icons." Then I use my Stowaway's ability to give the Urchin an intrigue icon again. But didn't it lose "all" icons? Can I really give him one back?

That's why it's worded this way. "All" could lead to confusion on whether the character can gain the icons back. This way, you still just add up all those printed, gained and lost and apply the result.

schrecklich said:

IAlso, Syrio looks like he would be a lot of fun in a deck with a bunch of sweepers (like the new Viper).

With an s0 cost, I think he'll end up being used to go into Shadows, then come out standing for Dominance a lot, or to be used to trigger a lot of "after a card comes out of Shadows" effect in any phase. (For example, bringing him out of Shadows at the beginning of Standing with The Black Cells in play creates the same overall effect as Lannisport Brothel.)

Twn2dn said:

By the way, Can the Red Viper's effect be used if he is saved and return to hand (using Retreat)? Probably not, but just curious.

Well, if you save The Red Viper, you cannot use his Response. If he is saved, he wasn't killed. If he wasn't killed, you haven't met the "after he is killed" part of his play restriction.

But Retreat is not a save. It doesn't say "save," so it doesn't interrupt the kill. After the kill, Retreat "reroutes" the dead character from the dead pile to your hand. So you CAN let The Red Viper die, play Retreat to have him head to your hand instead of the dead pile, then use his Response to kill all other characters in play.

Don't forget that he kills all characters in play. That includes your characters, too. Chances are, you're not going to want to use his ability unless he's your last character. Although I can see him discouraging Valar for Greyjoy because they'll need two saves for each character....

ingsve said:

Is draw for greyjoy really that bad so a one time draw one card effect is even a consideration? The card seems to be utterly useless as far as I can see.

In LCG? Draw is pretty much "that bad" for everyone except Lannister. I'm not saying it's an awesome card in the format, but it is draw. And I just think it's better to evaluate the card as draw first and an attachment second (and the other attachments as character modification/control first and attachments second). It's just a difference in the bloodycelt and I evaluate cards during deckbuilding, apparently.

It'll be most useful in LCG Greyjoy mirror matches, I think.

Daemon Blackfyre???

He's a character belonging to 100 years before the events of the books take place!

Why don't provide Targaryens with good old Jorah Mormont, still missing from the LCG?...

Thanks for these ktom!

I can see the Dragon Pit fitting right into many Targ decks.

As always much appreciated ktom!

Thanks for the spoilers!

ktom said:

ingsve said:

Is draw for greyjoy really that bad so a one time draw one card effect is even a consideration? The card seems to be utterly useless as far as I can see.

In LCG? Draw is pretty much "that bad" for everyone except Lannister. I'm not saying it's an awesome card in the format, but it is draw. And I just think it's better to evaluate the card as draw first and an attachment second (and the other attachments as character modification/control first and attachments second). It's just a difference in the bloodycelt and I evaluate cards during deckbuilding, apparently.

It'll be most useful in LCG Greyjoy mirror matches, I think.

I guess I'm just used to there being alot more draw available with Massing, Watching the Heavens, Wildling Messenger, Defenders of the North, Forever Listening etc etc...Am I right in guessing that Lannister dominates LCG atm then?

ingsve said:

Am I right in guessing that Lannister dominates LCG atm then?

"Dominates" is a little drastic. And a Greyjoy deck did win the Joust this year. But yes, Lannister is particularly strong in LCG Joust.

I wouldn't consider a card that just replaces itself to be "draw," but I don't think Scurvy is useless. There are a lot of self-saving military claim soaks that Scurvy would be good against (Lightbringer, Davos, Aemon, Wendamyr...). I'm not sure if the effect is good enough to play on its own, but the fact that the card replaces itself helps a lot.

The Red Keep has me hoping for some more Ambush cards for Targaryen. The presence of Fleeing to the Wall kind of discouraged trying to focus too much on Ambush, but the keep can play most Ambush (not that they're many in LCG right now) by itself and get around Fleeing to the Wall quite well also.

A "Cantrip" is a card that replaces itself... as opposed to say massing or insidious ways which net you a +1 or +2 to your hand.

It's not that it only draws one card... but its a non repeatable draw one card. I don't think cantrips should be compared as card draw. I would say compare it against the other attachments, warships and events that make up the 15 non-resource/non-character slots of your deck. I don't think the card doesn't have a place in a deck... just pointing out that Greyjoy has a lot of viable options... and its not a semi-auto include like To Be A Kraken.

*Semi-auto: for my purposes it means I expect it in every greyjoy deck, but that does not mean everyone HAS to put it in, or that every greyjoy deck includes it.

There I already have a rules question:

F64 (x1) – Joffrey Baratheon
Unique Lannister character
Cost = 3
STR = 3
Icons = P
Traits = Lord
Crest = Noble
Immune to triggered effects.
Response: After an opponent’s character is knelt, pay 1 gold to stand Joffrey Baratheon. Then he claims a power.

Isn´t a response a triggered effect? Wouldn´t this Joffrey be immune to it?

master_death said:

Isn´t a response a triggered effect? Wouldn´t this Joffrey be immune to it?

A Response is a triggered effect, but (as per the clarifications in the FAQ) a character cannot be immune to its own effects/abilities.

anyone notice the 2 cost lanni attachment yet?

Lars said:

anyone notice the 2 cost lanni attachment yet?

Yes, it's the one I noticed the most!

1 Kneel effect = 2 characters knelt o_0

Lars said:

anyone notice the 2 cost lanni attachment yet?

I guess the attachment is the reason why the new Joffrey is immune to triggered effects. However it could be nice to combine Joff, the attachment and den of wolves.

Old Ben said:

Lars said:

anyone notice the 2 cost lanni attachment yet?

I guess the attachment is the reason why the new Joffrey is immune to triggered effects. However it could be nice to combine Joff, the attachment and den of wolves.

Or just include means in your deck to kneel him as a cost effect, thus evading immunity getting him knelt and not having to give it up vs your opponent's effects. Both A Lannister Pays his Debts, and Seafarer's Bow would be particularly good for this right now.

Flogged and Chained is really good. I think of things in the game in terms of saturation and if Lannister didn't have enough kneel effects before they do now.

There's a lot of other good cards, though, and I think it does help the other houses quite a bit.

Lars said:

anyone notice the 2 cost lanni attachment yet?

Yeah, that card worries me a bit. Since I predominently play Stark, it's a lot easier to deal with problematic opposing characters then it is with attachments are placed on my characters, so this card could be a real thorn.