Just like the topic says post books, television shows, and movies you have seen that you felt gave you insanity and or corruption points. (or at the very least felt that you needed to make a willpower check to avoid them.

To start things off I will go with watching an episode of Macross 7 .

Well, I saw the criterion edition of Robocop when I was 4 years old. The sheer explicit violence of that flick at such a young age should have given me some insanity points, but according to a compulsory evaluation by the school counselor (they did those in grade school along with the compulsory health checks) I was perfectly sane.

And I don't feel any more insane today than I felt at the time.

(seeing a guy run a truck into a large container of toxic waste, then stumbling out of the wreckage horribly boiled and burned beyond recognition but still barely alive, and then getting run over by a car, splattering blood and bodyparts all over the windshield is perfectly normal for a four year old kid to see, don't you agree?)

Japanese Horror movies and movies like SAW = Jaded plus insanity points

various amounts of porn over time (saw my first dirty mag at 10) = corruption points

Hmm I did not even think of the situational modifiers:p

If we count those in I would have to say letting your 7 year old son watch Alien (my parents thought it was a Sci Fi movie).

It seriously messed me up, after I could not sleep for a few weeks I had to go to the doctor. A few decades later and I am mostly over it now, mostly.

It did have a silver lining though, I either gained 20 insanity points or the jaded talent (hard to say which). Ever since I saw Alien I have not been scared in any other horror movies. Probably ruined the genre for me. Take out the suspense and scaryness of a horror movie, and all you have left (usually) is bad acting, bad plot, and unbelievable charcters.

llsoth said:

Hehe, the fact that I had seen Robocop first was the very reason that my mom let me see Alien as well (Robocop is by far more violent, so she figured it wouldn't matter if i saw Alien as well). But I loved Alien. Sure it was scary as hell, but it didn't leave me with nightmares, I just thought that it was one of the best movies ever (until I saw Alien 2 that is, because at that age it was the first time I saw a Space Marine movie and it rocked!)

But Robocop left an impression. Especially that scene where the Emile gets boiled alive in toxic waste. Even today after having seen the movie several times I still get a little nervous tingle when that scene is about to come up. It looked really painful the way his skin hanged of his fingers, and he also got so freakishly deformed by the corrosive, toxic waste and when he stumbles up to one of his mates begging for help the guy just pushes him off in disgust. It just seemed like such a callous thing to do at the time, and I could almost feel his panic and pain.

Now I just laugh at the scene because the violence is almost comically over-the-top (I mean come on, how plausible is it that a toxic waste container wase place JUST at the right place?). But back then it was really scary for me.

Still no insanity points though. But I matured mentally a bit quicker than my peers so I guess I could handle that trauma pretty well without getting marked for life by it.

Every time I watch Glenn Beck's show on Fox, I feel the need to roll for insanity points.

Hmmm... let me think... no. Sure I've seen my share of violent and scary movies, but nothing that risks my mental health I think. I may have been somewhat emotionally detached to scenes of violence, but that doesen't mean I don't care about RL violence or other people's pain and suffering.

As for RL incidents, that's another story but slightly off topic despite the topic title.

As for Corruption, no I don't believe in the forces of the Immaterium in RL I may be morally corrupt according to various cults and faiths, but i don't mind

David Lynch movies!

They require you to make Fear tests all the time ... got some creepy stuff going on in Lost Highway, Mulholland Drive, Inland Empire ..

Like the scary androgynous dwarf asking Bill Pullman at a party to call his own house, cause he (the dwarf) is there ...Bill makes the call, and the dwarf answers the phone, "See, told you" -> while he is standing right in front of him

from france

insanity point? french administration certainly

corruption points? years at the university is a possibility

Insanity? Well, there was a time when i was completely out of the loop as to what was going on and a couple of terribly naive friends of mine took me off to see a movie that none of us had really heard about nor researched. That movie was Battlefield Earth -the horrors of it shall be wit me 'till the end of days and I shall be left forever with the haunting question, WHY, dear God, WHY?!

Corruption: I get that every time I see network television -a part of my soul whithers and dies with each canned laugh track and Real Reality Drama that flashes across the screen before I can leave the room.

Graver said:

Uhm, Im swedish so I don't really know what is considered to be network television. But isn't Dexter considered to be just that? And Dexter is, if I may say so, and excellent television series. (still it doesn't prevent me from accumulating corruption points for rooting for the psychopathich murderer in the show, now does it? )

Varnias Tybalt said:

Dexter is great. Love the show, but here in the States, it is not what we term a network show but a cable show. i guess I should have clarified by stating Broadcast Network Television, as in the channels that are free here... and chock full of mediocre mind-numbing soul crushing idiocy, but free.

Graver said:

Well coming from a country where the state sponsored free television mainly consist of zero entertainment, and focus primariily on ridiculous amounts of high brow boringness and cultural snobbery I just want to say that the opposite of what you have can be really bad as well.

I prefer a golden middleway of television myself.

How about "The Hills Have Eyes", "Flowers in the Attic", "Serpent and the Rainbow", any anime with monster vs. girl intimate encounters such as 'Ninja Scroll", "Wicked City" etc, "Deliverance", most episodes of ATHF, Resevior Dogs, Mulholland Drive and every other David Lynch production, Desolation Angels.

Sounds like Brit TV above...Sorry, brother.

Jacob's Ladder

'nuff said.

DEEP SPACE NINE!!! enough to corupt any one

Inquisitor Lord Auron said:

I'll see your Deep Space Nine and raise you a Voyager!

You people seem like lightweights from the list provided.

I don’t think anyone who has seen everything from this list would be above 10-15 points. That would be relying heavily on seeing the core David Lynch films of Eraserhead, Blue Velvet, Lost Highway, and Inland Empire and in watching all of Twin Peaks and Fire Walk with Me within one week. Then you must be able to coherently make a reasonable argument for the actual meaning and plot of each film. Without the perceived understanding of Lynch you cannot but skim the surface of the available Insanity and Corruption points available.

Peter Greenway is another director to watch anything you can get your hands on, as well as, David Cronenberg.

No one has mentioned, probably all too young, GG Allen. His live performances are things that can’t be unwatched.

Load up in one night the films Sweet Hereafter, The Reflecting Skin, and Jude. Those three by themselves are tough to watch; back to back to back they will scar and twist your soul.

Audition(Takashi Miike), The Eye (2002), The Last house on the Left(1972), I Spit on your Grave (1978), August Underground (simulated snuff film), Legend of the Overfiend(Anime/Hentai)

Just be aware that most of what has been listed is not for the faint of heart, stomach, mind, or under 18.

Graver said:

Hell no. "Genocide" Janeway would be a hero of the Imperium. She routinely wipes out entire species, and uses the ones Voyager doesn't kill for their own ends, just to get them back to the Glorious Imperium... I mean, Federation.

Deep Space Nine however... *tut tut*. Working with Xenos scum like the Klingons and the Romulans? *pulls out his Commissarial bolt pistol*

Event Horizon, Virus, Videodrome, the Thing, Flower Of Flesh and Blood (or any other Guinea Pig Horror), Machine Girl, Event Horizon, Tokyo Gore Police, Urotsukidoji (and sequels, uncensored) Irreversible, Alien (and all sequels, excluding avp) Predator, Event Horizon, In The Name Of The Rose, Jacob's Ladder, Witchfinder general, Event Horizon, Antichrist, Discographies of bands like Emperor, Gorgoroth, Cradle of Filth, Event Horizon, Event Horizon, Event Horizon, Event Horizon, Event Horizon, Event Horizon, Event Horizon Event Horizon, Event Horizon, Event Horizon, Event Horizon, Event Horizon, Event Horizon (liberate tuteme ex inferis)

ItsUncertainWho said:

I've seen a few flicks that are usually mentioned together with some of those, but I wasn't sure of bringing them up here. I remember this one called Irreversible, which features some pretty violent and depraved scenes and one of the most awful and relentless **** scene ever filmed.

I can't really recommend it to anyone because it's a movie that can make you feel like **** for watching. But in a way there is something to appriciate by it, because it can actually stir up such strong emotions (however bad they may be). Your standard run-o-the-mill hollywood flick doesn't tend to stir the same amount of emotions due to their campy an gimmicky nature, stock character stereotypes and bad actors.

Nevertheless, it is a movie most of you will not want to see, so consider yourselves warned...

You might not recommend it, but I would! Irriversable was GREAT! Granted, yes, it's not a feel good movie as, after all, it's about revenge (is it worth it?) and the fact that once you do something, you can't undo it. Beautifully put together though and in the whole more real then real genre of movies. Sadlym, i'd recomend it for no other reason then the fire extinguisher scene in the beginning ;-)

Miike was brought up but I want to bring the man up again. ANYTHING by Takashi Miike needs to be watched he is an amazing director with a eye for brilliant and haunting cinemaphotography as well as one twisted little mind. Not everything he's done is particularly disturbing (he actually did a children's movie of all things as well as one of the best Japanese Samurai Spaghetti Westerns ever made, though i think his and Quinton's has been the only one to actually get made, it's still the best). Top of the list, though would have to be Visitor Q (it's got copious amounts of incest, murder, necrophilia, ****, breast milk, random callous violence, parental abuse, more breast milk, a scathing commentary on the present state of Japanese culture, even more breast milk...) fallowed closely by Gozu (which I think might be Miike making fun of himself and you get to see a young woman give birth to a fully grown man nearly twice her age, classic!).

Cronenberg was brought up briefly as well and he is a definite watch if you're looking for something in a more disturbing vein. Top of the list for him is any of his movies where he gets free reign to pursue his obsession with the fusion of flesh and machine. The three that seem to do this the best would be Videodrome, an early 80's exploration of the omnipresence of television in our lives and the fusion of flesh and mass media into the New Flesh; Crash (so many movies with this title, but only one from Cronenberg), pretty much soft-core porn which takes our fetishising of the automobile to the next logical step and centers on group who have turned car crashes into a sexual fetish; and eXistenZ (capital X capital Z ;-) ) which is basically Videodrome for a new generation dealing with escapist entertainment, video games, and the prevalence of machine interaction replacing or facilitating social interaction.

I can't really recommend The Reflecting Skin however. While it's premise is made of pure win (a boy finds a fetus, believes it to be an angel and befriends it while fearing that his neighbors are vampires) it fell and broke it's ankle long before it reached the finish line. So much potential which was simply not carried trough leaving a movie that only felt like it was starting when it just kind of pitters off and stops after too much time has passed. It just left me feeling a bit bored and a premise like that should never lead to boredom.

Now, if you're looking for something subtly disturbing, there's a rather recent Terry Gilliam flick called Tideland that is... odd. I like it, others who have watched it with me are still unsure. While they all agree it's a good movie but they don't know if they liked it or not. The movie definitly pulls you in, the story is tight and touching, the characters are great, but parts of it will make you incredibly uncomfortable. It's about innocents and the strength of children to endure because they see the world differently then we do. Hell, Mr. Gilliam felt the need to explain the movie a bit before it starts stating that it is not for everyone and a lot of people may be highly offended or put off by it and the frank situations the main character is put in.

Graver said:

Okay, let me put it this way: I don't recommend it for ANYONE under the age of 18, nor anyone who isn't equally decadent as myself and who can't appriciate that kind of disturbing and awful imagery.

That being said, it didn't teach me that revenge is bad. Im a vengeful person, but only when it comes to things that really matters. And if I enact revenge, I makes sure that the right person gets it, unlike how the guys in the movie did...

Graver, the fact that you have actually seen the Reflecting Skin is impressive. I think you make the 3rd person I know including myself that has seen it.

I should also mention PI (Daren Aronofsky) a romp about knowledge, the search for knowledge and the consequences of knowledge. The main character would qualify as an adept dabbling in forbidden lore.

John Waters. Anything by John Waters. John Waters is one of the greatest directors of shock comedy ever. The older the film the more corrupting they are. Again I will mention Peter Greenway just because he deserves it.

Read Twilight. That is an automatic maxout on the corruption and insanity point scale, double if you actually enjoy the entire frakked up series.