Kir Kanos Pilot Ability Question

By Luethar, in X-Wing Rules Questions

Kir Kanos' pilot ability text reads: "When attacking at Range 2-3, you may spend 1 evade token to add 1 "hit" result to your roll"

Does his pilot ability mean that if I roll 3 attack dice and get 3 hits I can spend my evade token for a fourth hit? Or does it mean that I can turn one die into a hit? To me it says add so if I get three I spend the token for a fourth. Clarifications?

Lue.

Kir Kanos's ability let's you spend an evade token to "add 1 "hit" result to your roll".

I know I just copied the exact card text you quoted, but it really does speak for itself :P

It doesn't say to "flip 1 attack die to a hit results" or anything of the sort. You can use it to score 4 hits!

It actually works the exact same way evade tokens work when spent on defense: they add an evade result, as if there was an actual extra die.

Edited by Klutz

Can you only spend 1 evade token? If so it might count as an Action...?

You get a 4th hit, yes.
Just like on defense, if you roll 3 evades and spend an evade token.

Can you only spend 1 evade token? If so it might count as an Action...?

Spending a token is NOT an action. Performing the Evade action gets you a token.

However, you can only spend 1 evade token in a single attack, due to the once per opportunity rule.

Can you only spend 1 evade token? If so it might count as an Action...?

Spending tokens is not an action as DP already mentions. You only get one opportunity to use it but that has nothing to do with Actions.

However, you can only spend 1 evade token in a single attack, due to the once per opportunity rule.

You can spend as many evade tokens as you like in a single attack. Spending a token is not an ability. Some abilities allow you to do something by spending a token. These are subject to once per opportunity. But adding an evade result by spending a token is not.

However, you can only spend 1 evade token in a single attack, due to the once per opportunity rule.

You can spend as many evade tokens as you like in a single attack. Spending a token is not an ability. Some abilities allow you to do something by spending a token. These are subject to once per opportunity. But adding an evade result by spending a token is not.

Uh oh. Which is it guys?

When attacking, players may spend focus tokens or target locks and elect not to modify any attack dice. When defending, players may spend focus tokens and elect not modify any defense dice and may spend evade tokens to add evade results in excess of the number of hit and critical hit results.

If only FF worded this as a singular player. Everything is plural. "Players may spend focus tokens......"

And Kanos's card says, "you may spend 1." but it doesn't say you can only spend one. Amazing how an extra letter or an omission of a word can get us confused.

But I don't see how Kanos would even have more than 1 evade token to spend anyways.

Edited by ishikabe

You can spend as many evasive tokens as you want (have) for evasion dice. The FAQ say it even directly (page 5):


...and may spend evade tokens to add evade results...

But you can use the ability from Kanos only once.

Abilities Resolve Once per Opportunity (FAQ page 5):


A game effect can only resolve once per opportunity. For example, Luke
Skywalker’s pilot ability applies “when defending,” so he can only use his ability
once against each enemy attack.

The text from Kir:


When attacking at Range 2 or 3 you may spend 1 evade token to add 1 'Hit' result to your roll.

Sadly Kir is not listed in the FAQ as card. But a few others, with the same wording, are (for example Keyan Farlander; FAQ page 10).

Edited by Tokra

However, you can only spend 1 evade token in a single attack, due to the once per opportunity rule.

You can spend as many evade tokens as you like in a single attack. Spending a token is not an ability. Some abilities allow you to do something by spending a token. These are subject to once per opportunity. But adding an evade result by spending a token is not.

Uh oh. Which is it guys?

If you read carefully, they're not actually disagreeing. It's true that there's no general limitation on the number of tokens you can spend in a particular round, and if you had 19 evade tokens you could spend as many of them as you wanted for the purpose of modifying your defense dice.

However, other game effects don't work that way. Instead, those effects obey a "once per opportunity" rule: just like Luke Skywalker can only use his ability to change one [eyeball] result to [evade], Kir Kanos can only spend one evade token to add a [hit] result to his attack dice.

Edited by Vorpal Sword

Similarly, you can't spend multiple Focus Tokens in a single attack (without Calculation), which is in the FAQ.

Similarly, you can't spend multiple Focus Tokens in a single attack (without Calculation), which is in the FAQ.

Where?

Similarly, you can't spend multiple Focus Tokens in a single attack (without Calculation), which is in the FAQ.

Where?

I also can't seem to find a reference to this in the FAQ?

I don't see why, if there was a way to get 2 focus tokens onto a Scum Y-Wing with an R4 Agromech, you couldn't:

  1. roll [focus, blank, blank]
  2. spend a focus to get [hit, blank, blank], thus acquiring a TL from R4 Agromech
  3. spend the TL to get [hit, focus, focus]
  4. spend the second focus token to get [hit, hit, hit] and re-acquire a TL from R4 Agromech

Or why you couldn't have Kyle Katarn pass Garven a second focus token, and have him spend both on his attack, passing them on to other ships.

Edited by Klutz

When it comes to Kanos you get ONE opportunity to spend an Evade token to get a [boom] result.

When attacked you can spend any number of Evade tokens you have to cancel attack dice.

I'd like to say you could use multiple Focus tokens provided something has changed but there are two similar things which can only be used once per attack. Calculation can only be used once per attack although a second can be used normally. There is also Keyan's ability which is a little like Focus except that it uses Stress token instead; that specifies you can only spend one Stress that way although it does nothing to prevent you from spending a Focus token as well.

When it comes to Kanos you get ONE opportunity to spend an Evade token to get a [boom] result.

When attacked you can spend any number of Evade tokens you have to cancel attack dice.

I'd like to say you could use multiple Focus tokens provided something has changed but there are two similar things which can only be used once per attack. Calculation can only be used once per attack although a second can be used normally. There is also Keyan's ability which is a little like Focus except that it uses Stress token instead; that specifies you can only spend one Stress that way although it does nothing to prevent you from spending a Focus token as well.

Kanos, Farlander and Calculation all fall under the "Abilities resolve once per opportunity" rule, since they are abilities.

Spending a focus token is NOT an ability.

The closest thing to spending a focus token is spending an evade token on defense.

There is nothing that stops you from stacking 4 evade tokens* on a ship and spending them all to block one attack.

Why then would spending a focus token be limited to once per attack / defense?

*YT-1300: take evade action from MF title, use EI to trigger Lando and roll 2 evades, then PtL to focus, switching focus to an evade thanks to another friendly ship with Jan Ors crew near by. Boom! 4 evade tokens! Not sure if you can get to 5 evade tokens...

Edited by Klutz

C3po on lando

I asked the developers about this a while back, and got this response:

Hello kraedin,

In response to your rules question:

Rule Question:

If Garven Dreis has two focus tokens when attacking, for example, if he took the focus action and was passed a focus token by Kyle Katarn, is he able to spend both of those focus tokens to modify his attack dice in order to assign those tokens to other friendly ships using his pilot ability?

Thank you for your help,

kraedin

Yes. When a focus token is spent, it changes all [focus] results to [hits], if there are no [focus] results to effect, then the token can still be spent. Nothing is preventing you from spending more than 1 focus token.

Thanks for asking,

Frank Brooks

Associate Creative Content Developer

Fantasy Flight Games

[email protected]

Edited by kraedin