Since I have two Technicians and one Bounty Hunter in my group it's pretty much a win-win no matter which one comes out first. I'm more interested in having them both come out before they start publishing heavily from the inevitable F&D product line.
Don't get me wrong here, I'm very excited about seeing F&D splatbooks as well as more books for AoR, but I'd really really love for them to finish with at least the career books for EotE first.
Cool, so what Vegan powers do you have?
Increased health and energy. I taste better ;P. The ability to not go to very many restaurants.
Oh, please enough with the "be open-minded" schtick. If there is one closed off one track bad guy idea for a specialization it is this one.
You can be an immoral prick in any of the specs thusfar, but you can be a moral Bounty Hunter. You can be a moral Enforcer. Heck, you can be a moral politico. You can never be a moral slaver. Ever.
There is your difference.
I notice you didn't mention assassin. I bet you'll make a case that they can be moral. If that is the case Ezio Auditore is as moral as Lee Harvey Oswold or John Wilks Booth.
You also gloss over the fact that it seems every character in Star Wars with a droid has a slave. Some treat them well like Luke. Others don't like Jabba. Droids have personalities, feel pain and fear. Yet their human masters, a term droids use, will wipe their memory, often without a second thought
We can now play hutts, a species who indulge in every vice imaginable, and have enslaved entire species for millennia. While it is now legends, the trandoshans and gand have an active practice of slavery, where they don't see it as immoral.
The point is this, there are many immoral things people do in media (whether a tabletop RPG, video game, etc) that are immoral. But that does not make them immoral. The idea of the specialization fits in the universe. Your disdain for the word, which I agree is heinous, clouds your judgement. If I called it press-ganger or binder you would be fine with it I'm sure.
If I can play a moral assassin, a title which is just a word - I don't have to literally assassinate anyone, than I could play a 'moral' slaver. Perhaps I hunt down the most heinous criminals and sell them to imperials on Kessel.
What is OUR morality in our day to day life is not the morality of every character I'm the universe. I would consider it a great character to play a Gand slaver, with his culture allowing slavery, to grow to see that perhaps it is wrong. I would do it with a zygerrian but we don't have stats for them. Yet.
I like the idea of a reporter or journalist spec, and I've actually been working on a homebrew for that for my own game. I was placing it under Explorer rather than Bounty Hunter. At any rate, I figured I'd wait until the Diplomat book comes out for AoR, since those specs (especially Analyst and Propagandist) will likely contain talents that would be good fits for a reporter.
That said, I think there's also a lot of potential overlap between an Investigator or Infochant and a Reporter. Fun stuff.
Oh, please enough with the "be open-minded" schtick. If there is one closed off one track bad guy idea for a specialization it is this one.
You can be an immoral prick in any of the specs thusfar, but you can be a moral Bounty Hunter. You can be a moral Enforcer. Heck, you can be a moral politico. You can never be a moral slaver. Ever.
There is your difference.
I notice you didn't mention assassin. I bet you'll make a case that they can be moral. If that is the case Ezio Auditore is as moral as Lee Harvey Oswold or John Wilks Booth.
That last sentence might make sense to you... It doesn't to me. Sorry.
But I would say that a Bounty Hunter that hunts a criminal that is labelled as "Capture Ded or Alive" can indeed be moral.
You also gloss over the fact that it seems every character in Star Wars with a droid has a slave.
I didn't gloss over this fact. We were talking about slavery, not droid empancipation. I find it a difficult subject though since droids basically are built to function as an own amenity and can grow a personality over time. Different discussion though... Not saying I would not be interested in having it one time!
We can now play hutts, a species who indulge in every vice imaginable, and have enslaved entire species for millennia. While it is now legends, the trandoshans and gand have an active practice of slavery, where they don't see it as immoral.
I do not view the species in Star Wars in that black or white manner. Again i can conceive a moral Hutt or Trandoshan. I cannot conceive of a moral slaver. No one is saying that playing an immoral Hutt is wrong fun, however I believe this came will never give you the option of playing a singularly morally disgusting character.
The point is this, there are many immoral things people do in media (whether a tabletop RPG, video game, etc) that are immoral. But that does not make them immoral. The idea of the specialization fits in the universe. Your disdain for the word, which I agree is heinous, clouds your judgement. If I called it press-ganger or binder you would be fine with it I'm sure.
Actually, I think you mistake my meaning. A slaver can be played already. You can easily combine a few specs to create it...
And I would never tell anyone they would be wrong for playing it. I just wouldn't want a spec devoted to this to be included. And I am sure it won't be.
Cool, so what Vegan powers do you have?
Increased health and energy. I taste better ;P. The ability to not go to very many restaurants.
Just remember, Chicken Parmesan is not vegan. 
It's amusing to me that a lot of people in this thread are gunning for a repeat spec. I love the rigger so I can't see my self being upset if they reprint it for the technician. It's a natural fit.
In the past it was moral to kill children at birth, societies only had a set amount of food and shelter available.
There is also a problem of education, some people never get into a situation where they can learn why doing a particular soemthing is wrong. They are limited to how much of a good person they can be because not everything is inherent.
Then there is also thinking, if a Jedi or a servant of the Jedi is one of the most ethical ways of life a person can have, does that mean everybody should have the same goals for their character.
Good can come in multiple different forms, arguably just seeking balance can be the most good a person can be as it is how nature works and it ensures only the best possible future as can potentially be possible. Or at least in theory. (but i feel like this thread isnt supposed to be a documentary on ethics lol)
Anyway, i actually hope there isn't a Rigger just because more interesting for something different i dont want too many doubles. The career specializations i am probably most curious about are the Commander specializations.
In the past it was moral to kill children at birth, societies only had a set amount of food and shelter available.
There is also a problem of education, some people never get into a situation where they can learn why doing a particular soemthing is wrong. They are limited to how much of a good person they can be because not everything is inherent.
Then there is also thinking, if a Jedi or a servant of the Jedi is one of the most ethical ways of life a person can have, does that mean everybody should have the same goals for their character.
Good can come in multiple different forms, arguably just seeking balance can be the most good a person can be as it is how nature works and it ensures only the best possible future as can potentially be possible. Or at least in theory. (but i feel like this thread isnt supposed to be a documentary on ethics lol)
No one is arguing this.
However we can adhere our sense of morality to a game we are playing none the less. I have seen plenty of movies romanticizing Bounty Hunters, Assasins, Gangsters, Scoundrels and the like. Heck Star Wars is filled with such characters.
I have yet to see a non-evil slaver and wouldn't imagine FFg ever opening up such a career path this is not to say I didn't enjoy Leo's Calvin Candie in Django unchained however... And a villain of his sort would be amazing.
It's amusing to me that a lot of people in this thread are gunning for a repeat spec. I love the rigger so I can't see my self being upset if they reprint it for the technician. It's a natural fit.
I'm not gunning as much as expecting it. You are exactly right in it being a natural fit and since they have crossed over before it makes sense.
Plus we have seen specs cross game core books. Driver, pilot and scout crossed from EotE to AoR. I am expecting Rigger in the Technician book as it is a good fit. And for those people who only collect one line (silly rabbits) this allows them access to these specs.
If we got a reprint of Rigger for Technicians I wouldn't be overly disappointed but I'd prefer a new spec that uses Talents introduced with the Rigger.
It would be nice for players to be able to take advantage of some of the ranked talents stacking from two specializations that way, instead of their current form where only NPC's could receive multiple ranks in some. Though I can see too many ranks in the ability to up armor a ship as being potentially unbalancing with players tooling around in 7-8 Armor freighters
And consider the case with a "totally not rigger" that has the same talents. It needs at least 1 rank of larger project to affect the typical ship, which means a not-rigger/Rigger multiclass would start to be able to affect REALLY large craft.
If memory serves Rigger maxes. out at sil 5. I would love to be able to get it to Sil 6. Then trick out a Xanter to hell and back
And consider the case with a "totally not rigger" that has the same talents. It needs at least 1 rank of larger project to affect the typical ship, which means a not-rigger/Rigger multiclass would start to be able to affect REALLY large craft.
Works for me, although I'm less concerned with tech specs and more looking forward to crafting rules and whatnot.
As far as the BH book is concerned, I just want the attachment options. Considering all the snazzy crap Jango and Boba were packing in their armor, bolas and flamethrowers and whatnot, it would be nice to have options for that. But no Mando Human. It's a lifestyle not a race. I would rather have a 'replace your characters special widgets with Mando widgets' that goes across all the possible options, but I know that would be difficult, and certain aliens would have to options due to racial things, but it would still be good in my view.
I think it will be interesting to see what ships appear in the BH book. I'm hoping the Novasword fighters appear since they are the only one of my top three favorite Star Wars fighter models not to appear in Stay on Target.
I'm gonna go with a bunch of people and agree that rigger will probably fit into technician. I will also like it if it does. I also really want to see Jawa: whenever I get bored in class I try to imagine their stats.
Technician:
-Rigger
-Scavenger
-Cyberneticist
Species:
-Jawa
-Verpine
-Anomid
Bounty Hunter:
-Investigator
-Repo
-Bondsman (specialist in bringing people in alive without being labelled a slaver)
Species:
-Kaleesh
-Ubese
-Feeorin (Don't know why. I just really like this species and they need more fluff)
Bounty hunters: Shisivastans, Gand Findsmen, manalorians, who else?
Bounty hunters: Shisivastans, Gand Findsmen, manalorians, who else?
Gand are already in the CRB. Mandalorians are actually more like mercs than bounty hunters. Shistavans are interesting.
The most likely species to be in the Bounty Hunter Book are definitely Ubese. Princess Leia gave us the look of this species, the EU gave us the Fluff.
Regarding specializations: With FaD on the horizon, does anybody else think: Jedi Hunter?
Not much of a point being a Jedi Hunter when the Jedi order was destroyed so thoroughly that even Tarkin thought Vader was all that was left of the order's former members
Not much of a point being a Jedi Hunter when the Jedi order was destroyed so thoroughly that even Tarkin thought Vader was all that was left of the order's former members
True... true...
I really like the Idea of an investigator though. I am currently playing a disgraced ex-CorSec Investigator. Used the Colonist-Marshal combination for it.
If I had an investigator tree, I would so take it...
As far as the BH book is concerned, I just want the attachment options. Considering all the snazzy crap Jango and Boba were packing in their armor, bolas and flamethrowers and whatnot, it would be nice to have options for that. But no Mando Human. It's a lifestyle not a race. I would rather have a 'replace your characters special widgets with Mando widgets' that goes across all the possible options, but I know that would be difficult, and certain aliens would have to options due to racial things, but it would still be good in my view.
How about a Mando universal career?
As far as the BH book is concerned, I just want the attachment options. Considering all the snazzy crap Jango and Boba were packing in their armor, bolas and flamethrowers and whatnot, it would be nice to have options for that. But no Mando Human. It's a lifestyle not a race. I would rather have a 'replace your characters special widgets with Mando widgets' that goes across all the possible options, but I know that would be difficult, and certain aliens would have to options due to racial things, but it would still be good in my view.
How about a Mando universal career?
That would work better for him I would think. That said, I fully expect them to use the template from SoF and make them a variant human race.
Not much of a point being a Jedi Hunter when the Jedi order was destroyed so thoroughly that even Tarkin thought Vader was all that was left of the order's former members
True... true...
I really like the Idea of an investigator though. I am currently playing a disgraced ex-CorSec Investigator. Used the Colonist-Marshal combination for it.
If I had an investigator tree, I would so take it.
Far Horizons suggest an Investigator concept starting with Marshall for the investigative and combat skills and dipping into Thief for sneaking and breaking in skills
As for the BH races i think too the will make it a human race variant; i assume Mandalorians will be allowed to get Brawl up to 3 (or maybe ranged: light/heavy up to 3) at chargen. Maybe flavor it by saying you can apply it to other near human aliens if GM allows.
God i hope they don't waste space on a Mandalorian stat block.
Human put those non career skills in to the combat skills you didn't get from your spec (no one gets all of them).
Done.
