Hello fellow WFRP companions.

I am 23 years old and I have been playing WFRP(1st and 2nd edition) for ten years. My friends and I have developped a very indepth world using the original warhammer setting as an inspiration, a world fundementaly based upon politics, principles and dogma.

We`ve always been the same group of friends to have played WFRP and we have evolved through both editions of the game. At first, we had decided to modify the 1st edtion into our image, to fit our roleplaying ideals. When I came upon the 2nd edition (which I personally consider as a marvel among roleplaying games) our campaigns become much more epic and defined, caracterizing the gaming world in which we play in.

All this due to an amazing roleplaying system that had been established with the 2nd generation of the game.

I have DMed several rpgs (D&D, Call of Cthulhu, Shadowrun, Night Prowler, Conspiracy X, WFRP). All these games achieved the basics of a RPG, which in my book consists of a deep world and even deeper roleplaying from the players themselves.

This night, I had gone onto fantasy flight games site to see the Arhkham Horror expansions and saw the add for the 3rd edition of WFRP. In the past, when I had showed up at my local hobby store and came upon the 2nd editon, I opened the book and cried tears of joy. I immediately bought the book and played that night.

When I carefully read what the 3rd edition would seem to consist of, I also cried...cried tears of sorrow.

WHAT ARE THEY THINKING?!

Roleplaying games are great because they develop the sense of imagination, the players personify the character they wish to be, customizing it to their own image within their minds and conveying it through how they act.

This edition seems to be missing that point. How can they have the audacity to call this the 3rd edition of what is most likely the best roleplaying game available. I know this is just a brief overview of what this game will have to offer and I will be eagerly awaiting an explanation on the system during Gen-con. However, I cannot help but feel dissapoited at what I have seen, to what appears to be just another boardgame and not what I believe we could all consider to be a true roleplaying game.

In my free time, I do these small motivational pictures just for laughs. But in this case, it was to convey the shock I felt.

IF the 3rd edition of the game becomes the flop I think it might be, I hope this image will be the fist one people will see when typing WFRP 3rd edition on google images.

Thank you for letting me vent my anger.

ps: My first language is french and I would like to thank my friend for translating my message so that I could be properly understood.

I am anxious for the GenCon reports on this now, hoping beyond hope that it isn't as dire as it looks. Currently it looks pretty bad, to the point I can't believe they did this to the game! Hopefully, their first presentation was just done badly, and I am completely wrong in how I am seeing this, and it actually is still WFRP at it's core. Nice mod to the picture though.

Well, at least they have not screwed up Dark Heresy, and Rogue Trader for you yet. Just go 40k, and it will be OK

Which is very ironic considering fans were making WFRP conversions to play 40k with. Now we'll see people who've never had 2nd ed WFRP convert DH to fantasy to play...

This isn't a sky is falling thing per se, I think they just went in the wrong direction with it. Or at least, didn't retain the old direction as an OPTION for the game.

If WFRP had this game as the Deathwatch equivalent, 2nd ed as the Dark Heresy equivalent and maybe another in between then that's fine. A game for everyone's tastes. Alas it does not seem to be so.

I'm a little leary of games that require unique dice to play. It infers the game is far less GM friendly. I seriously don't know how people can GM D&D (from 3 onwards) simply because of the absurd variety involved in the game. With Dark Heresy or WFRP 2nd ed I've GMed successfully on the fly for 4 years because the rules are SO SIMPLE and yet have a depth to them. Complicating the rules doesn't make a game more adult or interesting, it makes it more laborious to play and especially GM.

I definitely will not be buying this until after having read through it in depth or played it first. I got an understanding of WFRP from a few sample pages enough to warrant buying it, but this looks like it requires entire books just to understand it first.

But, and this is the important thing, RPGs are not a very good product to make money off. The D&D model is one that makes money continuously and so is seen as the best way to turn an RPG into a business.

There will have to be some very interesting concepts and well executed rules in this to warrant me spending $120AUD on it. The current game works fine.

Hellebore

I've felt quite uneasy about the game from what I've seen up to now (which, granted, is not much) due to the fact that characters seem to be far more limited in the actions they may take. WFRP is an amazing game simply for the sheer amount of customization and campaign possibilities that were offered with the system. I just hope that doesn't change.

Necronomicus said:

Give them a little more time....

DH recieved a lot of praise and RT seems set to continue, however these are systems that FFG mostly inherited off BI when they were still in their early days. Just wait until a couple of more years and the need for an updated version becomes easier to sell to the fans.

Gilead te tuin lothain said:

Well, let's wait and see. I just saw some of the pics from gen con and they seem to have included some form of character sheet that looks a lot like the one from 2nd edition. They might be just offering two ways of playing the game in one box, which would be awesome.

Valadar said:

Except that you'd have to pay for all the components whether you want to use them or not.

Now if the cards etc. were optional and they released a cheaper version without them, that would be awesome. As well as a real test of what the gaming market actually wants.

Hmmmmm, from what I've seen so far they're trying something a little different, sure, but all the cards and stuff are merely the equivalent of copying out your career and skills so you always had them handy. Hardly a sign that this will become just another boardgame (and if you ask me, that wouldn't even be the worst thing, because FFG makes wicked awesome boardgames). I personally like these sort of play aids, and think they in no way obscure my capacity for creativity. But, to each his own. I will definitely try to find a group of people to try this when it comes out.

I saw this on the chive and though it would be a good threadcap

and here I thought the trolls came out.....

play the old game...no ones stopping you

I'd give this a chance, if it were not for the $100 price tag. Seriously, I can't even afford the Dark Heresy Book for Radicals, let alone this. I'm afraid this is where I get off with the game. It was one of the best fantasy worlds I've come across. Makes me sad to think that this is what it comes to. Then again, I can't afford the table top either.

After buying the core set, I am quite happy with it.

The price is high, but so are video games, hardback rpg rulebooks and minatures (to complete an army ).

-ashe-