Pot Spider...EHHH?!?!?!?!

By sungtrs, in Rules Discussions

Okay for Pot Spider's effect, when it says "cumulative", does it mean that:

a> it's effect can only be used once per turn

b> it's effect can't be stacked

c> both a> and b>...

d> I don't know, and will never know.

I thought it was always like the old one, once per turn effect type.

I'll go with F, as in "Time to start droppin some F-Bombs on these card texts".

Jayce_Ryu_Tismotto said:

I thought it was always like the old one, once per turn effect type.

I'll go with F, as in "Time to start droppin some F-Bombs on these card texts".

Oh lol yeah because I thought I saw somewhere on the thread said that you can stack them, like if its on a End of the World BoD lv3...so I got confused since I knew his effect isn't like Wyverns and all XD and if it was like that then that card would be cheap, especially with a combo with Hercs...but yeah just making sure :D , and I agree....THESE TEXT ARE FUNNY! rofls.

For some reason, Jaffer ruled that cumulative doesn't have the definition it does for everything else. I'm paraphrasing, but it was basically that "cumulative" was there to keep it from triggering every turn. Which, you know, it would, as it's an entering play effect. *sigh*

Yeah thats wat confused me lol I was like....then why it have come into play effect and cumulative at the same time?! XD...but wait which ruling do I abide by? O_O;; becuzz if its wat jaffar said, then you can stack the pot spiders right? I thought we couldn't do that at first but I'm just like confused with which ruling to look at X.X

By how Jaffer rules it, Pot Spider's effect is a simple, one time effect. Once it comes into play, the effect triggers for the turn. After the effect triggers, it's a plain ol heartless.

I'm almost certain you could very well drop two or three of them 'n gather the effect multiple times, by how it's read. Depends on a mod rulin.. *coff CoFF*

I thought Pot Spider was trying to say that his effect can only happen once per turn with that note. Though apparently with how they said it you can keep putting Pot Spider into play dealing 1 hp everytime you put him into play. Which in turn makes a Pot Spider deck uber broken just about.

I'd have to check the card out, since I don't have my stuff with me yet. Gotta get home for that first.

Been tryin everythin from memory, really, so forgive me if I've the wrong data.

Wait...so that means that you can just stack it on worlds that has unlimited capacity to put dark cards on....so for example if you have 6 pot spiders in your hand and your opponent has agrabah lv3 and you put all your put spiders on it, then it would be -6?

sungtrs said:

Wait...so that means that you can just stack it on worlds that has unlimited capacity to put dark cards on....so for example if you have 6 pot spiders in your hand and your opponent has agrabah lv3 and you put all your put spiders on it, then it would be -6?



thats what i was told by jaffer. i even made a deck :)

Choitz said:

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I'm almost certain you could very well drop two or three of them 'n gather the effect multiple times, by how it's read. Depends on a mod rulin.. *coff CoFF*

By how it's read you get one effect per turn. Not cumulative means not additive. And of course it would only occur once, because it's an ENTERING PLAY EFFECT!

God, this really is the worst ruling I think they've made for this game.

Do I need to overturn another ruling?

I'll only do it if a lot of people call for it...hence the reason I overturned that last one about World Symbols.

WayToTheDawn said:

Do I need to overturn another ruling?

I'll only do it if a lot of people call for it...hence the reason I overturned that last one about World Symbols.

I dunno, but I'd say you should look up "cumulative" in the dictionary, and then take a good long look at Pot Spider, as well as Jaffer's ruling (DD posted it somewhere around here, and has it in his email). It just makes my head want to explode, because a ruling shouldn't have needed to be done in the first place, but people don't know or look up what a word means, and then ask for a ruling, and then we get this.

Fairbanks said:

WayToTheDawn said:

Do I need to overturn another ruling?

I'll only do it if a lot of people call for it...hence the reason I overturned that last one about World Symbols.

I dunno, but I'd say you should look up "cumulative" in the dictionary, and then take a good long look at Pot Spider, as well as Jaffer's ruling (DD posted it somewhere around here, and has it in his email). It just makes my head want to explode, because a ruling shouldn't have needed to be done in the first place, but people don't know or look up what a word means, and then ask for a ruling, and then we get this.

Agreed...I never looked at the new Pot Spot once and said: "What do they mean by cumulative?"

I did wonder, however: "Why did they change how it was worded?"

I agree that the ruling needs to be changed, for the reasons you stated...so I dunno, I'll see what others say, I don't want to go around flipping rulings all will nilly.

i didnt either until i saw Jaffar said this...so I got confused what I should be listenin to -0-

Fairbanks said:

WayToTheDawn said:

Do I need to overturn another ruling?

I'll only do it if a lot of people call for it...hence the reason I overturned that last one about World Symbols.

I dunno, but I'd say you should look up "cumulative" in the dictionary, and then take a good long look at Pot Spider, as well as Jaffer's ruling (DD posted it somewhere around here, and has it in his email). It just makes my head want to explode, because a ruling shouldn't have needed to be done in the first place, but people don't know or look up what a word means, and then ask for a ruling, and then we get this.



i did look it up before i asked it says its not addititve and it also say not accumulative thats when i sent the email to jaffer. which he said the cumulative means the accumulation part. my guess is if they wanted it the same as the old spider they wouldnt have re- worded the old "Note" at the bottom.

Well I think the new Pot Spider should work like the old one cause its kinda to cheap to do that cause its very easy to clear the friend field and then just play bunches of pot spiders and then bounce them back and play them once more and could easily kill someone. Cause so far if the ruling doesnt change then that seems to be the only logical way to make an aggro deck cause of the fact you could literally do 6 hp damage in 1 turn. Though it all depends on what everyone else thinks also if they want it like that or not lol

Yeah true but there are better methods than doing that, plus Pot spiders will be useless once the Cloud&Sephiroth will come and in my opinion it's useless already right now because of the fact:

Most Valor aggro decks currently are like magic friendless, have jack, alice to clear the field, and if pot spider's effect were to be like that then it would make the wisdom aggro deck more viable, or more competitive but wisdom form aggro isnt good neways, cuz of phil and owl and stuff but at same time it's also ez to clear them away...but anyways i really don't think valor form and pot spiders don't match unless you can have like a sure-proof type of deal on clearing the field like almost every turn; which wisdom form can do if there are no phils or owls. That's what I think about pot spider's effect XD but at the same time I'm just thinking on how it would be if pot spiders effect can accumulate. Also, Valor form currently since they don't have gullywing or w.e. its called, it's pretty ez to get discarded if u got nothing to back it up, so having that with combo with pot spiders, you would needa prepare pot spiders, equips in hand just incase, attack cards, friends to clear the field, plus you would need monstro on the field but that's no problem...plus it's too much things to plan out if you do use pot spiders with valor, or the fact that you would need to have certain cards to actually use them and that's pretty useless unless you got like a mad huge drawing power. Plus it's hard to bring out Sima with Valor; you would need friends with MP to back it up unlike wisdom and all but yeah I'm just saying Pot Spiders won't really fit in current Valor form aggros...unless you use Simbas again, but that would change the whole point of Valor deck, not to mention the structure.

For some reason I tend to go against the majority of people on discussions....ROFLS!

Darkwing Duck said:

i did look it up before i asked it says its not addititve and it also say not accumulative thats when i sent the email to jaffer. which he said the cumulative means the accumulation part. my guess is if they wanted it the same as the old spider they wouldnt have re- worded the old "Note" at the bottom.

I didn't actually mean you in particular, but we have buggered Jaffer about way too much that could've been a simple RTFC moment. I'm going to quote from Dictionary.com right now for cumulative:

"increasing or growing by accumulation or successive additions: the cumulative effect of one rejection after another."

"formed by or resulting from accumulation or the addition of successive parts or elements."

Successive additions would be referring to successive Pot Spiders. The second pertaint to describing something as cumulative. If I were to say that "losses from Pot Spiders are cumulative," it would imply that the loss is resulting from the addition of sucessive parts.

Okay, so now, here is where confusion could occur, if the card were designed poorly. If Pot Spider just said "Your opponent loses 1 hp if he has no friends. This effect is not cumulative," Then there would need to be a ruling. But even then, ONLY because the Spider doesn't say "every turn, this turn, every other turn, etc" Because even in this instance, the point Jaffer was trying to make is that they are not RECURRING. In this instance, you would lose 1 HP every however often no matter the number of pot spiders. But wait, look at our Pot Spider and his ENTERING PLAY text. The text that triggers only when he enters play, thus occurs once, and never again until it enters play again.

God, how does one apply to be a rules person for a game? I'd do it for free just to keep crap like this that flied directly against common sense and the English language from happening.

Fairbanks said:

God, how does one apply to be a rules person for a game? I'd do it for free just to keep crap like this that flied directly against common sense and the English language from happening.

I've asked this already actually back when I was a Mod and that's how I was granted the ability to make my own rulings. lol.

otherwise...I dunno.

Kiro13 said:

Well I think the new Pot Spider should work like the old one cause its kinda to cheap to do that cause its very easy to clear the friend field and then just play bunches of pot spiders and then bounce them back and play them once more and could easily kill someone. Cause so far if the ruling doesnt change then that seems to be the only logical way to make an aggro deck cause of the fact you could literally do 6 hp damage in 1 turn. Though it all depends on what everyone else thinks also if they want it like that or not lol



its harder to do then you think.. when your opponent plays just lvl 1 worlds it makes it tough. same when your oppoent has 3 phils and owls.. all im saying is its hard to get the pot spider thing rolling then ya think. not impossible but pretty tough..

Darkwing Duck said:

Kiro13 said:

Well I think the new Pot Spider should work like the old one cause its kinda to cheap to do that cause its very easy to clear the friend field and then just play bunches of pot spiders and then bounce them back and play them once more and could easily kill someone. Cause so far if the ruling doesnt change then that seems to be the only logical way to make an aggro deck cause of the fact you could literally do 6 hp damage in 1 turn. Though it all depends on what everyone else thinks also if they want it like that or not lol



its harder to do then you think.. when your opponent plays just lvl 1 worlds it makes it tough. same when your oppoent has 3 phils and owls.. all im saying is its hard to get the pot spider thing rolling then ya think. not impossible but pretty tough..

I agree, like I said on my last post XD