How does these things interact?

Dragon sight means the defenders have to be declared before the attackers are declared. What if a stealth character attacks now? Can he take an already declared defender out of the challenge? Does this defender have to kneel?

Does Daario steel the gold before its counted for dominance? I know that its not possible to play a response before counting dominance, but Daario reads "...at the beginning of the dominance phase."

Thanks for your help

master_death said:

Nothing. Stealth works before defenders are declared. (And you can't use it before, because you don't have attacking characters yet).

master_death said:

Yes.

Rogue30 said:

Correct. When defenders are declared, there are no attackers so there is no Stealth stopping any of them from being declared as defenders. Dragon Sight essentially makes your own Stealth useless.

Note, though, that if a character with Stealth is declared as an attacker after defenders are declared, it is technically legal for the attacker to assign stealth targets. Characters that are already defending will not be removed from the challenge (because Stealth does not specifically do so), but it could be important if you have other effects that key off of a character being bypassed with Stealth (like Lost Oasis).

Yeah, that would kind of suck losing additional characters for later availability and not get the benefit of their STR in that challenge... ~but no one would think of making a Targ Treaty with the South Summer Deck would they?

I never realized Daario worked like this. I guess because there is no window for player actions until after dominance is awarded. As a general principle, is it the case that if a passive ability is initiated at the beginning of a phase it resolves before framework actions that take place at the beginning of the phase? So if something happened at the beginning of the draw phase, would it resolve before players drew cards? Similarly, if you brought a character out of the shadows at the beginning of dominance, would it count for dominance? I'm just checking to make sure I understand the principle behind when passive effects initiate.

schrecklich said:

Daario is not a player action (but I think you already know that).

schrecklich said:

No, but there is nothing to do except "beginning of the phase" in that framework.

schrecklich said:

Yes and yes.

Mind that before "draw framework" there is "player actions" box.

EDIT:

BTW: I know why you are confused. Core set rules say that winning dominance happens "at the beginning of the phase", but FAQ chart treat this as a separate framework.

Short answer is "yes." Anything that is passively activated "at the beginning of the phase" will take place before anything else happens in that phase. It's kind of like anything that is passively activated "at the end of the phase" taking place after everything else has happened in that phase, but in reverse.

The added trickery is that there is a player action window in the Plot Phase before plots are revealed and in the Draw Phase before players draw their cards. But there is no player action window in the Dominance Phase before Dominance is awarded or in the Standing Phase before players stand their cards. So the "general structure" of a phase is not necessarily the same for all of them.

It is kind of easy to get confused between the "you can't DO anything before Dominance is awarded" and the "stuff can happen passively before Dominance is awarded" distinction.

It's worth to mention that opponent can spend gold to bring card out of shadows before Daario can "steal" it.