I'd like to see Starkiller in IA. I definitely like the idea of him having separate Deployment Cards for both Imperial and Rebel use.

His unique command card could be Force Repulse (2 actions: Roll 2 Red dice. Deal that much damage to each character within 4 spaces and push them 4 squares).

Why not just "Defeat all characters on the board."

Starkiller is the most OP person in Star Wars and is only popular among those who don't know what the word 'balance' means.

This sounds like a child whining. How is someone OP in Star Wars, that doesn't even make sense, OP in a certain game maybe. This ability is strong and would probably have to be toned down to just adjacent spaces, but it's a command card so it's a one shot use assuming you draw it and don't strain it off your deck.

Your second sentence just makes you seem like a **** who has to put people down. Good luck with that.

Starkiller? That has to be the absolutely worst name given to any character in any media.

Luke Skywalker was supposed to be Luke Starkiller originally. That's why they used that name, as a nod to an early draft that Lucas wrote, which was called Adventures of the Starkiller, Episode I: The Star Wars

How is someone OP in Star Wars, that doesn't even make sense, OP in a certain game maybe.

Because in theory at least, what happens in a video game is canon, not everything but things the character does, especially in cutscenes or other story elements. So that means when he uses the force to pull a ISD out of orbit, that actually happens, and says something about the level of power Starkiller has.

Which makes Starkiller one of the most powerful force users in the galaxy. Now TFU may or may not be canon, and is at best Legends stuff, so they could tone him down a great deal to make him fit into the game.

Starkiller? That has to be the absolutely worst name given to any character in any media.

Luke Skywalker was supposed to be Luke Starkiller originally. That's why they used that name, as a nod to an early draft that Lucas wrote, which was called Adventures of the Starkiller, Episode I: The Star Wars

How is someone OP in Star Wars, that doesn't even make sense, OP in a certain game maybe.

Because in theory at least, what happens in a video game is canon, not everything but things the character does, especially in cutscenes or other story elements. So that means when he uses the force to pull a ISD out of orbit, that actually happens, and says something about the level of power Starkiller has.

Which makes Starkiller one of the most powerful force users in the galaxy. Now TFU may or may not be canon, and is at best Legends stuff, so they could tone him down a great deal to make him fit into the game.

It is not cannon based on the latest definition, not to mention the author said OP (over powered) not most powerful.

It is not cannon based on the latest definition

That's debatable... Video games was always a lower level of canon in the EU system. But they didn't actually say that the EU, now Legends was non-canon, only that anything from EU/Legends could be replaced with the new canon. Which is how it always worked...

But regardless of what canon your talking about, a character can be OP'ed based on what they can do in a video game. Especially now with new games being considered canon. If you have a force user who can blow up a Star using the force in the game, then that would I think by anyones concept be on the OP'ed side.

Because you can't really represent someone of that power level in a game like IA, without them being too powerful.

Just remember that he was also in Soul Calibur, so washing down his abilities to fit into something else that wouldn't be concidered Over-Powered is always possible, and acceptable for the character in question. I'm pretty certain if he wasn't washed down for Soul Calibur, the ability to drop a Star Destroyer on someone might have made him the most played character of that game. Heh!

It's not like they can't just make a version of him for this game that can't pull ISD's out of the sky. It's not that far fetched. I just don't understand the comments and close-mindedness of people not wanting him in it.

The LCG had a Starkiller alternate art promo so it's a possibility.

Starkiller is the perfect example of a Mary Sue character. He's this random, out of nowhere character that isn't referenced or appears in anything besides the comic, novel, and video games of Force Unleashed 1 and 2. That already shows you how unpopular of a character he is amongst the myriad of EU writers (people much more devoted and credible than random fanboys), whereas characters like Mara Jade and Thrawn are in many books, comics, and video games.

Luke (or Anakin) is supposed to be the chosen one... yet Starkiller defeats them in his story, heck he even defeats the Emperor right after defeating Vader. He pulls a ISD out of orbit, when Luke struggles to pull an X-wing out of a swamp. And don't say "well Starkiller was trained" as that still doesn't justify anything. If that were the case, then why didn't the Emperor or Darth Vader start pushing ships around? We even see Starkiller vaporize a group of stormtroopers with the Force in a commercial for the game, which I assume is from a cutscene.

His lightsaber skills are better than Jedi Masters, even better than Darth Vader who pretty much HUNTED and KILLED jedi.

In short, Starkiller is too good. Too perfect. Thus OP.

I just don't understand the comments and close-mindedness of people not wanting him in it.

The fact that someone dislikes that character for whatever reason and doesn't want him included doesn't make them closed minded, it simply means they have an opinion. Pretty sure everyone is entitled to one of those.

Myself I don't care one way or the other. But for those who don't want him in, they have every right to say so, because if he is included then they have to deal with him one way or another.

Starkiller is the perfect example of a Mary Sue character.

That's my issue with the character, and why I hope TFU is declared non-canon. But that doesn't mean there's no room for him in this game, if he's the proper power level. Which would be somewhere around 15 points I'd guess. Less powerful then Vader but more powerful than Luke post Yavin.

The fact that he was a huge Mary Sue, isn't IMO reason to never include him in anything, but rather just a reason to ignore the stories he was in, and perhaps make new ones that aren't so bad.

Starkiller is the perfect example of a Mary Sue character. He's this random, out of nowhere character that isn't referenced or appears in anything besides the comic, novel, and video games of Force Unleashed 1 and 2. That already shows you how unpopular of a character he is amongst the myriad of EU writers (people much more devoted and credible than random fanboys), whereas characters like Mara Jade and Thrawn are in many books, comics, and video games.

Luke (or Anakin) is supposed to be the chosen one... yet Starkiller defeats them in his story, heck he even defeats the Emperor right after defeating Vader. He pulls a ISD out of orbit, when Luke struggles to pull an X-wing out of a swamp. And don't say "well Starkiller was trained" as that still doesn't justify anything. If that were the case, then why didn't the Emperor or Darth Vader start pushing ships around? We even see Starkiller vaporize a group of stormtroopers with the Force in a commercial for the game, which I assume is from a cutscene.

His lightsaber skills are better than Jedi Masters, even better than Darth Vader who pretty much HUNTED and KILLED jedi.

In short, Starkiller is too good. Too perfect. Thus OP.

You realize the Fore Unleashed was a game right, you can't have a game where the main character is so inferior in skills that he dies in every battle. You also realize that Starkiller has only been around for 7 years and Mara Jade has been around for over 20. So yeah she has shown up in a lot more novels. The fact there is a thread about wanting him in the game speaks to his popularity not the opposite.

I just don't understand the comments and close-mindedness of people not wanting him in it.

The fact that someone dislikes that character for whatever reason and doesn't want him included doesn't make them closed minded, it simply means they have an opinion. Pretty sure everyone is entitled to one of those.

Myself I don't care one way or the other. But for those who don't want him in, they have every right to say so, because if he is included then they have to deal with him one way or another.

Starkiller is the perfect example of a Mary Sue character.

That's my issue with the character, and why I hope TFU is declared non-canon. But that doesn't mean there's no room for him in this game, if he's the proper power level. Which would be somewhere around 15 points I'd guess. Less powerful then Vader but more powerful than Luke post Yavin.

The fact that he was a huge Mary Sue, isn't IMO reason to never include him in anything, but rather just a reason to ignore the stories he was in, and perhaps make new ones that aren't so bad.

He can not want him in.

That's fine and he can think that way but when his reasoning is shaky at best and he just belittles the suggestions and ideas players have for him when they do want him in I will step in a speak my piece.

You realize the Fore Unleashed was a game right, you can't have a game where the main character is so inferior in skills that he dies in every battle.

The first part doesn't matter, since the storylines in games are considered a form of canon. So what happens in them does matter. That includes things like the power level of the character compared to other characters.

You also don't need to have a character who single handed beat both the Emperor and Darth Vader to have an interesting character.

Starkiller has always been considered over the top by many people based on the things he did in those games, like pulling a ISD out of orbit.

Starkiller is the perfect example of a Mary Sue character. He's this random, out of nowhere character that isn't referenced or appears in anything besides the comic, novel, and video games of Force Unleashed 1 and 2. That already shows you how unpopular of a character he is amongst the myriad of EU writers (people much more devoted and credible than random fanboys), whereas characters like Mara Jade and Thrawn are in many books, comics, and video games.

Luke (or Anakin) is supposed to be the chosen one... yet Starkiller defeats them in his story, heck he even defeats the Emperor right after defeating Vader. He pulls a ISD out of orbit, when Luke struggles to pull an X-wing out of a swamp. And don't say "well Starkiller was trained" as that still doesn't justify anything. If that were the case, then why didn't the Emperor or Darth Vader start pushing ships around? We even see Starkiller vaporize a group of stormtroopers with the Force in a commercial for the game, which I assume is from a cutscene.

His lightsaber skills are better than Jedi Masters, even better than Darth Vader who pretty much HUNTED and KILLED jedi.

In short, Starkiller is too good. Too perfect. Thus OP.

You realize the Fore Unleashed was a game right, you can't have a game where the main character is so inferior in skills that he dies in every battle. You also realize that Starkiller has only been around for 7 years and Mara Jade has been around for over 20. So yeah she has shown up in a lot more novels. The fact there is a thread about wanting him in the game speaks to his popularity not the opposite.

1. The Souls series of games proves you wrong, you can make games where every battle is life and death.

2. Don't put words in my mouth. Nowhere did I say he should be so inferior that he dies in every battle. You are jumping to the complete other field when there IS a middle ground.

Also, you can't tone down Starkiller, he had all these OP skills and abilities before the Rebel Alliance was even formed which this takes place after. So unless Starkiller suffered amnesia or something, that means he is going to be as powerful or even more powerful than he was in the games.

EDIT: Ok sure, Mara Jade and Thrawn have been in the EU longer than Starkiller. But 7 years is still a good chunk of time, and not ONCE has Starkiller been seen or even mentioned in ANY EU material outside of Force Unleashed. And for a man who pretty much formed the Rebel Alliance (sigh) where his own family crest is the symbol they use (double sigh) you'd think SOMEONE in the lore would even mention his name.

Again, this just shows how unlikable, unpopular, and unmemorable he is.

1. The Souls series of games proves you wrong, you can make games where every battle is life and death.

2. Don't put words in my mouth. Nowhere did I say he should be so inferior that he dies in every battle. You are jumping to the complete other field when there IS a middle ground.

Also, you can't tone down Starkiller, he had all these OP skills and abilities before the Rebel Alliance was even formed which this takes place after. So unless Starkiller suffered amnesia or something, that means he is going to be as powerful or even more powerful than he was in the games.

Got it don't put words in your mouth but you can't tone him down to fit the game. Whatever man I'm done. Thank goodness there's a block feature here.

You pretty much proved my point right there that theres no way to defend his inclusion into this game.

Although a nerfed Starkiller *could* potentially show up in the game, I don't know how well it would correlate with the new lore that the official Rebels show is putting out with the origin of the Rebellion. Also, remember that it seems like FFG is taking the old viewpoint of just how rare Jedi/force users were in Ep. IV. Thus I would expect to see Kannan, Ezra, or (SPOILER) Ahsoka as an ally choice well before Starkiller since these characters have been pushed by Disney in the new cannon.

Also, Jax (RGC) is somewhat cramping his style already, since Starkiller would show up around that point level, hit hard, move fast, blade whirling dude. Only difference I see is some nerfed force power instead of the executor move/attack ability.

I don't know how well it would correlate with the new lore that the official Rebels show is putting out with the origin of the Rebellion.

Just because he exists doesn't mean that TFU is now canon. It seems pretty clear that Disney is doing away with the whole 'Starkiller started the Rebel Alliance' thing. Sabine paints what is clearly an early version of the Rebel logo, the Alliance Starbird. So it seems fairly clear that they're doing away with the whole House of Marek family crest thing.

So even if they were to make him, that doesn't mean anything. LFL/Disney could still use the character and simply rewrite the backstory behind him.

A good story isn't worth scrapping in its entirety simply because there are competing explanations for the start of the Rebellion. I think we call that 'throwing the baby out with the bathwater.'

A good story isn't worth scrapping in its entirety simply because there are competing explanations for the start of the Rebellion.

But if it conflicts directly with a canon source, then it kinda has to be, or at least the parts that are in conflict do.

The Alliance Starbird for example, if that's something that's been around longer as a symbol of the rebels then the whole idea that it's Marek's family crest and used in remembrance of him falls apart.

So while part of his story could be used, clearly not all of it will be useable, because it directly contradicts Star Wars Rebels. That however as I said doesn't mean he can't be used for IA. It's not like IA is going to establish TFU story as canon or anything.

Right, sure, okay. How many of those story elements are necessary for characters and ships to be included in a game?

I don't see why anyone would want him in the game if he wasn't OP. (Course I wouldn't want him in regardless) That was pretty much his entire character right there.

Without all the ridiculousness about him, theres like nothing memorable about him.

How many of those story elements are necessary for characters and ships to be included in a game?

I'm pretty sure I answered that question already. The answer is none, because being included in this game doesn't make any given storyline canon.

It was a rhetorical question, and it wasn't just directed at you. Suffice it to say, I think we're more or less in agreement on the matter.

So I am going to post a non crazy persons point of view. Starkiller was fun, his insane over the top force powers made the force unleashed fun. As a lifelong fan of the starwars universe and a current fan of imperial assault I see no reason for them to not add any character that will add depth and fun to the game. Hell they could even add Gungans! I wouldn't use them and I would make fun of anyone who did but if it's fun for someone go for it.

So I am going to post a non crazy persons point of view. Starkiller was fun, his insane over the top force powers made the force unleashed fun. As a lifelong fan of the starwars universe and a current fan of imperial assault I see no reason for them to not add any character that will add depth and fun to the game. Hell they could even add Gungans! I wouldn't use them and I would make fun of anyone who did but if it's fun for someone go for it.

So you're basically saying, "Add anything/everything, you don't need to use them."

1. With your logic, we SHOULD put in AT-ATs. Don't like them? Don't use them! While we're at it, lets put in starfighters, Yuuzhan Vong, World Devastators, Sun Crusher, Eclipse I and II, and the planet/moon that crushed Chewbacca. Don't like any of them? That's fine, don't use them!

2. Except you DO need to use figures in certain missions, every villian/ally is currently used in atleast 1 side mission/story mission. Guess what happens if they add Starkiller to an expansion? The imperial player will be forced to use him in some of those missions or just not play that expansion's missions (and possibly any other future expansions' missions that involve him.)

So I am going to post a non crazy persons point of view. Starkiller was fun, his insane over the top force powers made the force unleashed fun. As a lifelong fan of the starwars universe and a current fan of imperial assault I see no reason for them to not add any character that will add depth and fun to the game. Hell they could even add Gungans! I wouldn't use them and I would make fun of anyone who did but if it's fun for someone go for it.

So you're basically saying, "Add anything/everything, you don't need to use them."

1. With your logic, we SHOULD put in AT-ATs. Don't like them? Don't use them! While we're at it, lets put in starfighters, Yuuzhan Vong, World Devastators, Sun Crusher, Eclipse I and II, and the planet/moon that crushed Chewbacca. Don't like any of them? That's fine, don't use them!

2. Except you DO need to use figures in certain missions, every villian/ally is currently used in atleast 1 side mission/story mission. Guess what happens if they add Starkiller to an expansion? The imperial player will be forced to use him in some of those missions or just not play that expansion's missions (and possibly any other future expansions' missions that involve him.)

As long as it is balanced with the rest of the game sure. My point was more that this game isn't for any one person. This game is going to expand and grow and things are going to get added that some people don't like but others do and it will be ok.