What? It's well known that the N1 was an incredibly high performance fighter.

Was it? Cool, I didn't know that, just assumed it wasn't.

IDK why you'd assume that a starfighter meant to escort an important royal starship between worlds against almost any threat was junk, but alright.

Well, like people said, it was generally a peaceful time and place, I figured it was ceremonial more than anything. If they were going to be all practical why didn't their sexy yachts have any weapons?

An armed diplomatic ship is the first ticket to leaving a bad impression. Arming one hand and offering the other- that's not really what diplomatic missions are for unless one is expecting trouble. Which is what the escorts are for.

Really diplomacy is all about pretending you don't want to cave the other guy's face in so you gotta' make it look like you don't too. You wear your nicest suit or your nicest dress and put on your biggest fakest smile, because chances are, if you're doing a diplomatic mission or duty, sh*t's gotten pretty bad anyway, y'know?

But, see, that's why you make sure that if sh*t goes down, your escorts are well trained and ready, with the best gear they can get. They're not you, they're not the diplomats. But yeah. That's why, more or less.

Oh. The yachts did get armed eventually, however.

Arming one hand and offering the other- that's not really what diplomatic missions are for unless one is expecting trouble.

Tell that to these two

**** I love those ships!

1: No it wasn't. The N-X police Cruiser is what you're looking for. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/N-X_Police_Cruiser You also might want to remember that the N1 was only stocked in Theed. The Queen's city. It was the defense ship for her, and her royal starship. They escorted her ship to Coruscant in the beginning of Episode II. The N1 is an elite fighter.

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I was also unaware of the other version. I tend not to pay too much attention to elements of the EU.

I quite like this post. And I agree we should consider the possibilities of what different planets could come up with as far as indigenous designs go. My problem with people who hate the N-1 is that it limits diversity in Star Wars, and I like diversity, even if I don't always like every individual iteration.

Agreed. I loved that the Wookies had their own unique style of fighters .. although the style didn't agree with me. Kind of like Japanese food really .. anyone tried nattou?

Well, for what it's worth, starfighters were seen as zero threat to capital ships until The Battle of Naboo.

Yeah, you can thank Anakin for that.

Calling bull on that any ship that carries torpedoes is a threat to cap ships as torpedoes bypass shields in SW, a squadron of x-wings can cripple a star destroyer, 72 torpedoes can cause catastrophic damage.

I quite like this post. And I agree we should consider the possibilities of what different planets could come up with as far as indigenous designs go. My problem with people who hate the N-1 is that it limits diversity in Star Wars, and I like diversity, even if I don't always like every individual iteration.

Agreed. I loved that the Wookies had their own unique style of fighters .. although the style didn't agree with me. Kind of like Japanese food really .. anyone tried nattou?

Nah but I've yet to run into a Japanese food I dislike, save Wasabi. I really hate Wasabi.

Well, for what it's worth, starfighters were seen as zero threat to capital ships until The Battle of Naboo.

Yeah, you can thank Anakin for that.

Calling bull on that any ship that carries torpedoes is a threat to cap ships as torpedoes bypass shields in SW, a squadron of x-wings can cripple a star destroyer, 72 torpedoes can cause catastrophic damage.

boy you sure are right i wonder where they got that idea forty years after the battle of naboo

Soooo, back on topic: The ARC 170 actually did have the R2 unit rotated!

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070113192736/starwars/images/3/39/Arc-170_dive.jpg

Soooo, back on topic: The ARC 170 actually did have the R2 unit rotated!

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070113192736/starwars/images/3/39/Arc-170_dive.jpg

Uh oh, you mentioned the ARC-170, now you've done it...

Well, for what it's worth, starfighters were seen as zero threat to capital ships until The Battle of Naboo.

Yeah, you can thank Anakin for that.

man, that makes their plan to retake the city even more idiotic than it already was

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Phantom Menace plan to retake Naboo

Step 1: Send Gungans in a suicide attack in the hopes that the Trade Federation are utter morons that will engage them on an open field rather than from a fortified city

Step 2: Send "security volunteers" to storm the palace now that most of the morons have left to engage the gaggle of backwater natives that pose no real threat

Step 3: Send tiny fighter craft to engage a (for some reason) lone doughnut capital ship, which is apparently something that would never have worked if they didn't think fighters could pose a threat to capital ships

Step 4: capture the Viceroy assuming that the cowardly bastard is guarded by a whopping pair of useless battle-droids

not that any of that makes the N-1 a less appealing little vessel, though, it's just the prequels being stupid

Soooo, back on topic: The ARC 170 actually did have the R2 unit rotated!

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070113192736/starwars/images/3/39/Arc-170_dive.jpg

Uh oh, you mentioned the ARC-170, now you've done it...

yeah, I didn't get the ARC-170 at all other than from a "****, we're losing the audience with the horrible quality of our movies, quick remind them of the original trilogy by stealing plot points from Empire Strikes Back and re-introducing the X-wing, only betterer!"

I think the N-1 should basically have the same stat-line as the A-wing. I'm not sure that it's clear in Star Wars that ships become obsolete in the same way that aircraft do in our world. Much of the differences seem to be stylistic or mission role oriented. I think for fluff purposes it would be easy to say that the N-1 is extremely capable, but is simply far too expensive to outfit a large force, especially a ragtag force like the Rebel Alliance. So, while it's a very formidable starfighter in defense of a single wealthy planet, it's a poor choice for outfitting your whole fleet. If you want a PS 8 pilot, I'd suggest going with one of the handmaidens. That'd be fun.

wait wait, didnt padme herslef fly one in the opening scene of episode 2?

I think the N-1 should basically have the same stat-line as the A-wing. I'm not sure that it's clear in Star Wars that ships become obsolete in the same way that aircraft do in our world. Much of the differences seem to be stylistic or mission role oriented. I think for fluff purposes it would be easy to say that the N-1 is extremely capable, but is simply far too expensive to outfit a large force, especially a ragtag force like the Rebel Alliance. So, while it's a very formidable starfighter in defense of a single wealthy planet, it's a poor choice for outfitting your whole fleet. If you want a PS 8 pilot, I'd suggest going with one of the handmaidens. That'd be fun.

wait wait, didnt padme herslef fly one in the opening scene of episode 2?

Yes, and it's her only piloting moment. I'm not sure what strength to give that scene in terms of piloting skill. However, the Handmaidens are basically the Naboo secret service, minus hiring strippers in Latin American countries. So, I would presume not only are they highly trained in dignitary protection, hand to hand combat, and pistol shooting, but they're also pretty sweet pilots.

For what it is worth, I always disliked smaller ships like the N-1 having hyperspace capability. I always assumed that whatever the engine/drive required to slip between the rules of physics would most notably either too big, or require too much power for a fighter craft. Something about the size of a shuttle or YT transport would be as small as I imagine. This would certainly anchor fighters to either a carrier and/or give importance to the hyperspace rings seen in Eps 2+3.

Though the A-wing is hyper jump capable, as is the X-wing. So that's interesting. I think the main problem with hyperspace in a small ship is having enough to eat. It's not an instantaneous journey.

Soooo, back on topic: The ARC 170 actually did have the R2 unit rotated!

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070113192736/starwars/images/3/39/Arc-170_dive.jpg

Man I love that thing.

Well, for what it's worth, starfighters were seen as zero threat to capital ships until The Battle of Naboo.

Yeah, you can thank Anakin for that.

man, that makes their plan to retake the city even more idiotic than it already was

?

Phantom Menace plan to retake Naboo

Step 1: Send Gungans in a suicide attack in the hopes that the Trade Federation are utter morons that will engage them on an open field rather than from a fortified city

Step 2: Send "security volunteers" to storm the palace now that most of the morons have left to engage the gaggle of backwater natives that pose no real threat

Step 3: Send tiny fighter craft to engage a (for some reason) lone doughnut capital ship, which is apparently something that would never have worked if they didn't think fighters could pose a threat to capital ships

Step 4: capture the Viceroy assuming that the cowardly bastard is guarded by a whopping pair of useless battle-droids

not that any of that makes the N-1 a less appealing little vessel, though, it's just the prequels being stupid

That is a pretty terrible plan.

Nightstrike: Padme also flew in that small silvery aircraft Obi Wan hid in, in Episode 3!

Though the A-wing is hyper jump capable, as is the X-wing. So that's interesting. I think the main problem with hyperspace in a small ship is having enough to eat. It's not an instantaneous journey.

Try to plan missions around the end of your day so you can get some shuteye in Hyperspace. otherwise I imagine it gets really boring in that cockpit.

"R5, could you please queue up my Space Netflix?"

Nightstrike: Padme also flew in that small silvery aircraft Obi Wan hid in, in Episode 3!

Right, though saying she is a better pilot than Obi-Wan isn't saying all that much, given what the prequels told us about Obi-Wan and flying. Not to diminish her abilities at all, she may well be a brilliant combat pilot, they just never showed her doing it.

Though the A-wing is hyper jump capable, as is the X-wing. So that's interesting. I think the main problem with hyperspace in a small ship is having enough to eat. It's not an instantaneous journey.

Try to plan missions around the end of your day so you can get some shuteye in Hyperspace. otherwise I imagine it gets really boring in that cockpit.

"R5, could you please queue up my Space Netflix?"

Real fighter pilots on transatlantic missions will sometimes play battleship with each other.

Though the A-wing is hyper jump capable, as is the X-wing. So that's interesting. I think the main problem with hyperspace in a small ship is having enough to eat. It's not an instantaneous journey.

Try to plan missions around the end of your day so you can get some shuteye in Hyperspace. otherwise I imagine it gets really boring in that cockpit.

"R5, could you please queue up my Space Netflix?"

Real fighter pilots on transatlantic missions will sometimes play battleship with each other.

That is probably the best thing I'm going to read today.

Though the A-wing is hyper jump capable, as is the X-wing. So that's interesting. I think the main problem with hyperspace in a small ship is having enough to eat. It's not an instantaneous journey.

Try to plan missions around the end of your day so you can get some shuteye in Hyperspace. otherwise I imagine it gets really boring in that cockpit.

"R5, could you please queue up my Space Netflix?"

Real fighter pilots on transatlantic missions will sometimes play battleship with each other.

God I hope that's true, because that's really, really funny.

It's true. My good friend and mentor did it on long flights in his F-16.

Nightstrike: Padme also flew in that small silvery aircraft Obi Wan hid in, in Episode 3!

Right, though saying she is a better pilot than Obi-Wan isn't saying all that much, given what the prequels told us about Obi-Wan and flying. Not to diminish her abilities at all, she may well be a brilliant combat pilot, they just never showed her doing it.

"another happy landing"

on the other hand, he must have a supremely powerful version of luke's ability since apparently he used to force to block every single one of Jango's rapid-fire blaster rounds in episode 2, none of which actually missed him...

the green dice are strong with this one

I really need to watch the prequels again. That shows a starfighter dogfighting something. Totally worth buying the prequel Blu-Rays, right?

As I recall the prequels didn't portray Obi Wan as a bad pilot, just a reluctant one.

The N-1 is more the F-16 in that analogy.

And then X-Wings would be F-22 and TIE Fighters could maybe be the JSF if it ever gets going?

I've certainly got nothing against the N-1 still being a viable combat starfighter 20 years later but that also doesn't mean I expect to see in on the front lines. I'd really expect the StarWars galaxy to use a much wider array of starships than we actually see on screen.

Actually, I think the Naboo starfighter is probably more like the F-22 than the X-wing or the TIE, in that it is built in limited numbers. The F-22 was capped at 187 aircraft. That's a very limited run of a very expensive air superiority fighter. That sounds a lot like the N-1, which is a sleek, sexy, awesome starfighter meant primarily for the protection of a planet, and more specifically, the planet's queen in space operations. The X-wing and the TIE Fighter are more like the F-15 Eagle and the MiG-21 respectively, I would suggest. The X-wing is expensive-ish, but still not to the level of the F-22, and it is highly capable with advanced avionics and countermeasures. The MiG-21, by contrast, is a mass-produced, highly agile, rocket-sled, with below average avionics, but a great flight envelope even against more modern fighters. If you wanted to call the TIE fighter the MiG-29, that wouldn't be bad either, but I think that's actually the TIE Interceptor, with the A-wing being the F-16.

Maybe calling the X-Wing an F-22 is strong but is probably is a late model F-15 to a N-1's F-16. Classifying the TIE Fighter is a real pain as it is a cheap, nearly disposable fighter although the Interceptor is a formidable ship.

I can not get behind saying the N1 is an F-22 just because the F-22 is expensive and had a limited run. I CAN agree the N-1 meets both of those criteria but I don't believe its performance is going to be all that much superior. I'd say part of the reasons for the F-22's high cost and limited numbers is simply the government's refusal to sell it to anyone else although I suspect there would have been many takers especially considering how terribly the JSF is doing.