I imagine the N-1s as being not particularly good ships even in the prequel era - they're fancy cramp nail things, not hails designer for war. So... Similar stats to a TIE fighter?

The points value in the game represents their usefulness in the game, remember, not their credit value, so there's no reason an expensive ship, in universe, shouldn't be cheap in game.

The N-1 is more the F-16 in that analogy.

That's what I get for mixing metaphors.

I disagree. I think they were top of the line, quite fast and agile. I'd give them the A-wing stat line.

Weeeeell, maybe, either way I definitely got the impression that they would only have two attack.

But wasn't the film kinda implying they were ceremonial, rather than practical?

The N-1 is more the F-16 in that analogy.

And then X-Wings would be F-22 and TIE Fighters could maybe be the JSF if it ever gets going?

I've certainly got nothing against the N-1 still being a viable combat starfighter 20 years later but that also doesn't mean I expect to see in on the front lines. I'd really expect the StarWars galaxy to use a much wider array of starships than we actually see on screen.

Strangely, I am finding this topic rather interesting.

I have 2 points.

1. Why does the Naboo starfighter even need an Astromech? It was a planetary defence fighter and probably had no need to hyperjump, which I believe to be the Astromech's primary function.

2. I think the point made earlier about the N1 being manufactured and limited to Naboo has some credit. Think of the Holden 48-215 (or even the infamous FJ), imagine trying to find parts for these outside of Australia. It's a logisitcal nightmare.

It could be argued that a large company designed and manufactured the N1 and then sold a fleet to Naboo but I feel Nightshrike's comment on the design parameters for the N1 negate this argument. It was made on Naboo, by Naboo and for Naboo.

It is obvious then, that if Naboo had developed its own starfighters to meet the rigourous conditions and standards of Naboo (just like Australia developed the 48-215 and later, the FJ to meet the unique and rigourous Australian conditions) many other worlds would have done similarly. There are a lot of species represented in the senate. Think of the possibilities.

I imagine the N-1s as being not particularly good ships even in the prequel era - they're fancy cramp nail things, not hails designer for war. So... Similar stats to a TIE fighter?

The points value in the game represents their usefulness in the game, remember, not their credit value, so there's no reason an expensive ship, in universe, shouldn't be cheap in game.

What? It's well known that the N1 was an incredibly high performance fighter.

Strangely, I am finding this topic rather interesting.

I have 2 points.

1. Why does the Naboo starfighter even need an Astromech? It was a planetary defence fighter and probably had no need to hyperjump, which I believe to be the Astromech's primary function.

2. I think the point made earlier about the N1 being manufactured and limited to Naboo has some credit. Think of the Holden 48-215 (or even the infamous FJ), imagine trying to find parts for these outside of Australia. It's a logisitcal nightmare.

It could be argued that a large company designed and manufactured the N1 and then sold a fleet to Naboo but I feel Nightshrike's comment on the design parameters for the N1 negate this argument. It was made on Naboo, by Naboo and for Naboo.

It is obvious then, that if Naboo had developed its own starfighters to meet the rigourous conditions and standards of Naboo (just like Australia developed the 48-215 and later, the FJ to meet the unique and rigourous Australian conditions) many other worlds would have done similarly. There are a lot of species represented in the senate. Think of the possibilities.

1: No it wasn't. The N-X police Cruiser is what you're looking for. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/N-X_Police_Cruiser You also might want to remember that the N1 was only stocked in Theed. The Queen's city. It was the defense ship for her, and her royal starship. They escorted her ship to Coruscant in the beginning of Episode II. The N1 is an elite fighter.

2: Yes. It IS only on Naboo. Which is why they're incredibly rare and flown basically by a few select aces. It was probably their fighter to begin with before they said, "Screw this" and defected to The Rebellion.

But yeah, there are a lot of possibilities there. You're right about that. But the N1 was an incredibly high performance starfighter that was just... Really excellent.

It should also be noted that in Rogue Squadron, it was comparable to the X-Wing in every single way. Maybe not the best source, but it should mean something at least.

Following link has the stats i think suit the N1

https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/index.php?/topic/156220-starfighter-ships-lok-revenants/

I imagine the N-1s as being not particularly good ships even in the prequel era - they're fancy cramp nail things, not hails designer for war. So... Similar stats to a TIE fighter?

The points value in the game represents their usefulness in the game, remember, not their credit value, so there's no reason an expensive ship, in universe, shouldn't be cheap in game.

What? It's well known that the N1 was an incredibly high performance fighter.

Strangely, I am finding this topic rather interesting.

I have 2 points.

1. Why does the Naboo starfighter even need an Astromech? It was a planetary defence fighter and probably had no need to hyperjump, which I believe to be the Astromech's primary function.

2. I think the point made earlier about the N1 being manufactured and limited to Naboo has some credit. Think of the Holden 48-215 (or even the infamous FJ), imagine trying to find parts for these outside of Australia. It's a logisitcal nightmare.

It could be argued that a large company designed and manufactured the N1 and then sold a fleet to Naboo but I feel Nightshrike's comment on the design parameters for the N1 negate this argument. It was made on Naboo, by Naboo and for Naboo.

It is obvious then, that if Naboo had developed its own starfighters to meet the rigourous conditions and standards of Naboo (just like Australia developed the 48-215 and later, the FJ to meet the unique and rigourous Australian conditions) many other worlds would have done similarly. There are a lot of species represented in the senate. Think of the possibilities.

1: No it wasn't. The N-X police Cruiser is what you're looking for. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/N-X_Police_Cruiser You also might want to remember that the N1 was only stocked in Theed. The Queen's city. It was the defense ship for her, and her royal starship. They escorted her ship to Coruscant in the beginning of Episode II. The N1 is an elite fighter.

2: Yes. It IS only on Naboo. Which is why they're incredibly rare and flown basically by a few select aces. It was probably their fighter to begin with before they said, "Screw this" and defected to The Rebellion.

But yeah, there are a lot of possibilities there. You're right about that. But the N1 was an incredibly high performance starfighter that was just... Really excellent.

It should also be noted that in Rogue Squadron, it was comparable to the X-Wing in every single way. Maybe not the best source, but it should mean something at least.

All good points and the N1 is definatly competative 20 years later as is the NB1 and the H6 Scurry all designs made to nabooan standerds by the nubians the H6 was reggected as too powerful lol still i love the N1 it fits the nabooan perspective so well and its drop dead gourgus in blue. stilll stat wise think inverted x wing but look at the link for my full opinion

Strangely, I am finding this topic rather interesting.

I have 2 points.

1. Why does the Naboo starfighter even need an Astromech? It was a planetary defence fighter and probably had no need to hyperjump, which I believe to be the Astromech's primary function.

2. I think the point made earlier about the N1 being manufactured and limited to Naboo has some credit. Think of the Holden 48-215 (or even the infamous FJ), imagine trying to find parts for these outside of Australia. It's a logisitcal nightmare.

It could be argued that a large company designed and manufactured the N1 and then sold a fleet to Naboo but I feel Nightshrike's comment on the design parameters for the N1 negate this argument. It was made on Naboo, by Naboo and for Naboo.

It is obvious then, that if Naboo had developed its own starfighters to meet the rigourous conditions and standards of Naboo (just like Australia developed the 48-215 and later, the FJ to meet the unique and rigourous Australian conditions) many other worlds would have done similarly. There are a lot of species represented in the senate. Think of the possibilities.

I quite like this post. And I agree we should consider the possibilities of what different planets could come up with as far as indigenous designs go. My problem with people who hate the N-1 is that it limits diversity in Star Wars, and I like diversity, even if I don't always like every individual iteration.

The N-1 is more the F-16 in that analogy.

And then X-Wings would be F-22 and TIE Fighters could maybe be the JSF if it ever gets going?

I've certainly got nothing against the N-1 still being a viable combat starfighter 20 years later but that also doesn't mean I expect to see in on the front lines. I'd really expect the StarWars galaxy to use a much wider array of starships than we actually see on screen.

Actually, I think the Naboo starfighter is probably more like the F-22 than the X-wing or the TIE, in that it is built in limited numbers. The F-22 was capped at 187 aircraft. That's a very limited run of a very expensive air superiority fighter. That sounds a lot like the N-1, which is a sleek, sexy, awesome starfighter meant primarily for the protection of a planet, and more specifically, the planet's queen in space operations. The X-wing and the TIE Fighter are more like the F-15 Eagle and the MiG-21 respectively, I would suggest. The X-wing is expensive-ish, but still not to the level of the F-22, and it is highly capable with advanced avionics and countermeasures. The MiG-21, by contrast, is a mass-produced, highly agile, rocket-sled, with below average avionics, but a great flight envelope even against more modern fighters. If you wanted to call the TIE fighter the MiG-29, that wouldn't be bad either, but I think that's actually the TIE Interceptor, with the A-wing being the F-16.

People comparing the N1 and other prequel ships to ww1 era fighters need to check their dates. The sopwith camel is a 98 year old aircraft and built in a universe (ours) where technology moves at a blisteringly fast pace compared to star wars. The N1 has about 30-35 years on the x wing, meaning that it would be comparable to a vietnam or post vietnam era craft, like the F-14, or a modernized F-4 Phantom.

Basically the outdated air craft argument holds no water. First of all no one is arguing for the N1 to have stats equal to GCW era craft like the X Wing and company. It would be in the same performance bracket as the Z-95, M3A and the TIE Fighter. Second of all technology moves a lot slower in the star wars universe than in our universe. Case and point, 4000 years ago in our universe we were entering the bronze age, 4000 years ago in the star wars universe things basically were the same as they were during the GCW. There were incremental improvements, slightly better guns, slightly better shields etc, but things that would barely register on X Wing's simplified system.

The N-1 is more the F-16 in that analogy.

And then X-Wings would be F-22 and TIE Fighters could maybe be the JSF if it ever gets going?

I've certainly got nothing against the N-1 still being a viable combat starfighter 20 years later but that also doesn't mean I expect to see in on the front lines. I'd really expect the StarWars galaxy to use a much wider array of starships than we actually see on screen.

Actually, I think the Naboo starfighter is probably more like the F-22 than the X-wing or the TIE, in that it is built in limited numbers. The F-22 was capped at 187 aircraft. That's a very limited run of a very expensive air superiority fighter. That sounds a lot like the N-1, which is a sleek, sexy, awesome starfighter meant primarily for the protection of a planet, and more specifically, the planet's queen in space operations. The X-wing and the TIE Fighter are more like the F-15 Eagle and the MiG-21 respectively, I would suggest. The X-wing is expensive-ish, but still not to the level of the F-22, and it is highly capable with advanced avionics and countermeasures. The MiG-21, by contrast, is a mass-produced, highly agile, rocket-sled, with below average avionics, but a great flight envelope even against more modern fighters. If you wanted to call the TIE fighter the MiG-29, that wouldn't be bad either, but I think that's actually the TIE Interceptor, with the A-wing being the F-16.

Emil -That is a valid point but consider that during the prequel era the jedi went through 3 different kinds of fighter and the Rebels developed several during the OT. As i said i see no reason it couldnt be in the sum supplement along with a horde of other dubious prequel designs. But I dont think that FFG should go back in time as a regular thing

Emil -That is a valid point but consider that during the prequel era the jedi went through 3 different kinds of fighter and the Rebels developed several during the OT. As i said i see no reason it couldnt be in the sum supplement along with a horde of other dubious prequel designs. But I dont think that FFG should go back in time as a regular thing

The updates could be because of things like better hyperdrive (or a hyperdrive at all) superior life support systems or some other minor upgrade. Or possibly ease of manufacture, it doesn't have to be a straight increase in power, it could be more like a lateral move.

I've mentioned this before but, the impression I kinda get is that the various generations of starfighters, and military tech in general in the SW universe, is not because of actual technological improvements, but rather, to put it in a gamer sense, changes in the meta of warfare in the universe. The impression I got from the prequels is that conflict in the old republic was really very formalized, almost ritualistic. The whole issue surrounding the Trade Federation blockade of Naboo was almost like a bureaucratic procedure not a military action. If the Senate had declared their actions illegal they would have been expected to pack up and leave without a fight, that they invaded (seemingly without cause or provocation) was unusual and unexpected.

This leads me to think that "warfare" in the old republic was not what we would think of, but more like the ceremonial combat of the middle ages that could be just as deadly, but was governed by specific rules that could not be broken. And like combat among medieval nobles, the artificial nature of the fighting led to development of military tech that was basically worthless outside of the rules of engagement of that specific culture.

The Old Republic operated in that kind of environment for generations, and the tech they developed to fight evolved in that same environment. When the Emperor instigated the Clone Wars, he changed the paradigm under which war was waged in the universe, and the changes in military tech throughout the period of the clone wars and then the GCW represent, not improvements in the actual technology (which appears to be fairly stagnant in SW) but changes in how the technology is being applied to try and find the most effective combinations for the new war meta.

Now, a lot of the EU background material won't support this viewpoint, but it does make a measure of sense and helps to explain the apparent stagnation of technology on the one hand and the rapid development of new, more effective warships throughout the period on the other.

Well, for what it's worth, starfighters were seen as zero threat to capital ships until The Battle of Naboo.

Yeah, you can thank Anakin for that.

I think a TIE fighter dial would be fine, or if you think it really is that fast and maneuverable, the TIE Interceptor or A-wing dial. I don't know if Boost is appropriate but they do seem to be small and nimble, so Evade and/or Barrel Roll seem appropriate to me. They would also have Focus and Target Lock as Actions (since the N-1 is equipped with a Torpedo Launcher). Firepower and basic stats seem to be in line with the TIE Fighter but with Shields, so 2-3-3-2, perhaps. They may be similar in some ways to the A-wing (2 Hull) but I'd give them '3' due to their elite, hand crafted nature. They also have a Droid slot.

So... that gives us...

PS: *TBD

AT: 2

EV: 3

HU: 3

SH: 2

Focus, TL, BR, Evade

*EPT, Droid, Modification

Other than Aniken, I do not know the name of any other N-1 pilots but... they are part of Naboo's military elite, especially those assigned to the Royal Guard (or whatever they call it), so I'd say PS:4 at least, with EPTs for anyone in the Royal Guard.

There are plenty of pilots that were named. Or at least just enough. Anakin would not make an appearance. He's already flying The TIE Advanced.

Ric Olie, Gavyn Sykes and Rhys Dallows immediately come to mind. In that order.

Man Gavyn was a Kriffing badass... (I actually really really really loved Battle For Naboo. It was Rogue Squadron, but Naboo focused.)

I think a TIE fighter dial would be fine, or if you think it really is that fast and maneuverable, the TIE Interceptor or A-wing dial. I don't know if Boost is appropriate but they do seem to be small and nimble, so Evade and/or Barrel Roll seem appropriate to me. They would also have Focus and Target Lock as Actions (since the N-1 is equipped with a Torpedo Launcher). Firepower and basic stats seem to be in line with the TIE Fighter but with Shields, so 2-3-3-2, perhaps. They may be similar in some ways to the A-wing (2 Hull) but I'd give them '3' due to their elite, hand crafted nature. They also have a Droid slot.

So... that gives us...

PS: *TBD

AT: 2

EV: 3

HU: 3

SH: 2

Focus, TL, BR, Evade

*EPT, Droid, Modification

Other than Aniken, I do not know the name of any other N-1 pilots but... they are part of Naboo's military elite, especially those assigned to the Royal Guard (or whatever they call it), so I'd say PS:4 at least, with EPTs for anyone in the Royal Guard.

I like this analysis. I would also give them an S-turn, based on the ability to use differential thrust of their engines to impart a yawing moment to the spacecraft. It would be plotted with a 1-hard followed by a 1-hard in the opposite direction, thus creating a single-side offset maneuver. I'd make it red. And the rest of the dial I would choose either the interceptor or the A-wing. Having a Naboo N-1 to scale in my possession now, I can see how much smaller it is than the TIE interceptor or even the A-wing. It's a VERY lightly built fighter. I might even argue for 2 hull rather than 3 on that basis.

Newsflash!!

George Lucas is an idiot!!!

Who knew?

That's multi millionaire idiot to you sir... lol and you conribute to his riches and products every time you buy star wars stuff... we all do.. so call him an idiot, but is he really... remember... millionaire.....

Well, for what it's worth, starfighters were seen as zero threat to capital ships until The Battle of Naboo.

Yeah, you can thank Anakin for that.

man, that makes their plan to retake the city even more idiotic than it already was

Well, for what it's worth, starfighters were seen as zero threat to capital ships until The Battle of Naboo.

Yeah, you can thank Anakin for that.

man, that makes their plan to retake the city even more idiotic than it already was

?

What? It's well known that the N1 was an incredibly high performance fighter.

Was it? Cool, I didn't know that, just assumed it wasn't.

What? It's well known that the N1 was an incredibly high performance fighter.

Was it? Cool, I didn't know that, just assumed it wasn't.

IDK why you'd assume that a starfighter meant to escort an important royal starship between worlds against almost any threat was junk, but alright.

What? It's well known that the N1 was an incredibly high performance fighter.

Was it? Cool, I didn't know that, just assumed it wasn't.

IDK why you'd assume that a starfighter meant to escort an important royal starship between worlds against almost any threat was junk, but alright.

Well, like people said, it was generally a peaceful time and place, I figured it was ceremonial more than anything. If they were going to be all practical why didn't their sexy yachts have any weapons?