This isn't just your forum, so I also get to say what I like and don't like posted. I don't like the same topics constantly polluting the forum with no new content.

I didn't double down on anything. I truly am sorry for anyone who can't handle a little sarcasm on the Internet.

Your criticism would make sense if I'd gone into a topic you were posting in and made a sarcastic comment about how useless the thread was and how it didn't belong in an attempt to shut down discussion. Since that didn't happen, it's not really pertinent. You're welcome not to like as many of the threads on this forum as you choose not to like, I'm just pointing out that it's not particularly productive to try to tell other people that a thread they find interesting doesn't belong or is useless or has been discussed too many times before. You should respect their right to post about topics they enjoy, just as they respect your right to do the same.

And that's what - tripling down on the sarcasm? You might have wanted to go with something different there, rather than standing by the second sarcastic remark. It would have been more inflammatory and cutting if you'd come up with something new.

Also to be fair, Lucasarts did set up the n1 for being the most "includable" of the prequel ships by running it along ot ships in rogue squadron

True. And the canon now shows Naboo N-1s in use during RotJ thanks to the remastered Blu-rays we all despise. But it's still there. So, there's no reason the N-1 can't be GCW era, even if it is primarily Clone Wars. I doubt we'll see it in the game personally, but I'm happy to have my Mel's mini N-1 to paint and play with.

I'm not aware of the N-1 in the remastered RotJ. Can you tell me what scene(s) it's in?

I believe they do a flyover during the parade when they have the celebrations after the destruction of the second Death Star.

Edit: Not seeing it in the youtube version, I may be mistaken on this one.

N-1 in X-Wing?

Over my dead body!

Wookieepedia is saying that it appears at the end of the blu-ray version of RotJ. Not sure where, I'm not seeing it in the youtube clips of the celebrations post-Death Star destruction, but I trust the Wookieepedia nerds in their source citations.

I will say they'd need to make the little guy a little grittier

While the prequels were suite and imibthe cis ships made no sense (because they had so little character) I loved the sleekier look of starships from the republic's "more civilized age" because they really drive home the GRIT if the post "golden ages" galatic civil war era.

Anything that enhances the ot is great in my book (esp cause the prequels did so little of that) but the n1 would need to look a little gruffer to not stick out like a little gold thumb

The original discussion was fine and even a little interesting about the design of N1 and whether an astro could fit. Then it devolved into the same old debate, to which I made the one comment you're still fretting about. I didn't triple down on anything. Do you know what sarcasm is? I don't mean that sarcastically, either, before you accuse me of quadrupling down. I'm starting to think you really don't know what the word means.

Oh, so the N-1 never saw combat in the remastered RotJ. Got it.

No, definitely not in a combat role. As to the sarcasm, when you say that I'm sorry some people can't handle a sarcastic remark on the internet, you're not actually apologizing, you're being sarcastic. And then when you say, no, no, I'm really truly sorry that other people can't handle a sarcastic remark on the internet, you're repeating the same sarcastic remark, because you are not, in fact, apologetic at all. Saying you were sorry that other people couldn't handle your remark was a way of deflecting blame onto aggrieved parties, making it their fault for not being emotionally equipped to deal with your cutting wit. The truth is, you were rude for no good reason, and you shouldn't have been. I wasn't personally offended by it, I'm just tired of people deciding that rather than treating other human beings like human beings, they should use the anonymity of the internet as a vehicle for their puerile snark. You seem like a reasonable individual, so I'll just accept it as a mistake on your part and move on.

I will say they'd need to make the little guy a little grittier

While the prequels were suite and imibthe cis ships made no sense (because they had so little character) I loved the sleekier look of starships from the republic's "more civilized age" because they really drive home the GRIT if the post "golden ages" galatic civil war era.

Anything that enhances the ot is great in my book (esp cause the prequels did so little of that) but the n1 would need to look a little gruffer to not stick out like a little gold thumb

I'm strongly considering painting my N-1 with rust and chipped chrome finish, and paint wearing off, and a heavy wash of dirt and grime. Haven't decided if I want to go that route or paint a pristine one first.

there is one problem I hadn't though about till now, and it's that the N1 seems to fit the slot slot as the M3a interceptor (+a torp slot and astromech, going by the phantom menace)

they're both teeny-tiny pre-quel era ships that should have been rendered obsolete by the breakthroughs in tech that lead to the a-wings and tie interceptors

and since Scyks are pretty much crap A-wings, their role in the rebellion would be questionable

Mainly, I just really want a PS 8 ace (and if you say Annakin...I will find you...) who will give a small-base ship in range 1 a free barrel-roll after she/he barrel-rolls her/himself

I think the N-1 should basically have the same stat-line as the A-wing. I'm not sure that it's clear in Star Wars that ships become obsolete in the same way that aircraft do in our world. Much of the differences seem to be stylistic or mission role oriented. I think for fluff purposes it would be easy to say that the N-1 is extremely capable, but is simply far too expensive to outfit a large force, especially a ragtag force like the Rebel Alliance. So, while it's a very formidable starfighter in defense of a single wealthy planet, it's a poor choice for outfitting your whole fleet. If you want a PS 8 pilot, I'd suggest going with one of the handmaidens. That'd be fun.

I will say they'd need to make the little guy a little grittier

While the prequels were suite and imibthe cis ships made no sense (because they had so little character) I loved the sleekier look of starships from the republic's "more civilized age" because they really drive home the GRIT if the post "golden ages" galatic civil war era.

Anything that enhances the ot is great in my book (esp cause the prequels did so little of that) but the n1 would need to look a little gruffer to not stick out like a little gold thumb

I'm strongly considering painting my N-1 with rust and chipped chrome finish, and paint wearing off, and a heavy wash of dirt and grime. Haven't decided if I want to go that route or paint a pristine one first.

I'd say go pristine first. It's likely easier to do. Then if you make a mistake, just turn those mistakes into rust and damage.

... That's probably the sloppy way to go about it, but that would be my method.

That's actually more or less my plan. I'll have to order a second N-1 from Mel though so I can have one of each, but that's no big downside for me. I really like them. They're so tiny set beside the ships from the OT. Definitely gives you a sense of their agility.

No downside for me either

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Hey, would you like me to make a gritty, post-war naboo fighter?

No downside for me either

EDIT:

Hey, would you like me to make a gritty, post-war naboo fighter?

That would be tremendously cool. I would love that very much, and if you make one, I will buy it (in frosted ultra detail, of course).

I find them to be hideous. But...I see no reason they couldnt be featured in severely battered form, and not officially, as scum fighters. They would be old and severely otdated but probably sold cheap some time ago in a desperate attempt to keep the economy of Naboo going. Bugger you beat me to it Mel *L*

No, definitely not in a combat role. As to the sarcasm, when you say that I'm sorry some people can't handle a sarcastic remark on the internet, you're not actually apologizing, you're being sarcastic. And then when you say, no, no, I'm really truly sorry that other people can't handle a sarcastic remark on the internet, you're repeating the same sarcastic remark, because you are not, in fact, apologetic at all. Saying you were sorry that other people couldn't handle your remark was a way of deflecting blame onto aggrieved parties, making it their fault for not being emotionally equipped to deal with your cutting wit. The truth is, you were rude for no good reason, and you shouldn't have been. I wasn't personally offended by it, I'm just tired of people deciding that rather than treating other human beings like human beings, they should use the anonymity of the internet as a vehicle for their puerile snark. You seem like a reasonable individual, so I'll just accept it as a mistake on your part and move on.

I think you mean cynical, not sarcastic. I'm sincerely sorry if people can't handle a little (and I mean really little) bit of sarcasm on the Internet. But I digress. Off topic.

If even Lucas had a chance to remaster his beloved N-1 into a combat role (even a cameo) in RotJ and didn't, that's telling.

Here's the N-1 in Return of the Jedi in all it's detachable-head astromech glory:

And there's Jar-Jar on the roof top. I hope he doesn't fall.

You think one of them is specifically jar jar and that they all aren't just generic Gungans?

No, definitely not in a combat role. As to the sarcasm, when you say that I'm sorry some people can't handle a sarcastic remark on the internet, you're not actually apologizing, you're being sarcastic. And then when you say, no, no, I'm really truly sorry that other people can't handle a sarcastic remark on the internet, you're repeating the same sarcastic remark, because you are not, in fact, apologetic at all. Saying you were sorry that other people couldn't handle your remark was a way of deflecting blame onto aggrieved parties, making it their fault for not being emotionally equipped to deal with your cutting wit. The truth is, you were rude for no good reason, and you shouldn't have been. I wasn't personally offended by it, I'm just tired of people deciding that rather than treating other human beings like human beings, they should use the anonymity of the internet as a vehicle for their puerile snark. You seem like a reasonable individual, so I'll just accept it as a mistake on your part and move on.

I think you mean cynical, not sarcastic. I'm sincerely sorry if people can't handle a little (and I mean really little) bit of sarcasm on the Internet. But I digress. Off topic.

Nope, I definitely didn't mean cynical. And see, that whole sincerely sorry thing, that's the sarcasm again. You're using irony (the use of a disingenuous apology) to bitterly mock others (their inability to "handle a tiny bit of sarcasm").

Considering Naboo is the birth place of the Emperor I would imagine it has a sizable Imperial garrison to protect it from agitators.

Any N-1s on Naboo are probably for ceremony/propaganda.

Considering Naboo is the birth place of the Emperor I would imagine it has a sizable Imperial garrison to protect it from agitators.

Any N-1s on Naboo are probably for ceremony/propaganda.

The EU (drawn primarily from Star Wars Galaxies) suggests they have a queen who was set up to be a puppet, but who opposes the Empire behind the scenes wherever possible, but also that there is a sizable Imperial garrison present in the system. I think that makes a certain amount of logical sense, and yes, the N-1s are probably relegated to being used for parades to maintain the illusion of legitimacy for the puppet government.

They would be old and severely otdated but probably sold cheap some time ago in a desperate attempt to keep the economy of Naboo going.

They would be 20-30 years old at Endor. RL military has stuff that's that old or older right now that they still fly. The F14 Tomcat for example was used for 32 years. The A10 was introduced in 1977 and it's still in production. The F16 came out in 1978. The M1A1 Abrams came out in 1979.

So the idea that a 20-30 year old fighter would still be on par with things like X-Wing and A-Wings is hardly a huge stretch of the imagination.

Myself I'd rather not see them, because I don't care for their style. But this argument that they're too old is simply nonsense. They're no older then Z-95's or Y-Wings really.

Considering Naboo is the birth place of the Emperor I would imagine it has a sizable Imperial garrison to protect it from agitators.

I doubt that the Emperor gives a flying fig at a rolling donut about Naboo. It was a means to an end and little more.

I could see the N1 as being a great atmospheric fighter, and maybe not as good in space.

I could also see a few of them being kept around Naboo as the equivalent of the Blue Angels. They are _very_ pretty craft with some nice performance characteristics. They'd be fun to watch perform stunts.

Also, frankly, it would be smart for the Emperor to encourage local planets to keep Sopwith Camels around while the Empire itself is using F-16s.

The N-1 is more the F-16 in that analogy.