So yeah.....this is info we knew about the Naboo Starfighter in 1999. It didn't make it cool even then.

The N1 was a beautiful ship. Graceful and flowing. It was an elegant ship for a more civilized era.

I like the way the signature ship of the first half of the prequels is artisan, custom built, and overwhelmed. As the movies go on, and war engulfs the galaxy, the pretty ships are replaced with others of more brutal simplicity.

Because yeah: theme is important in storytelling.

The n1 never looked good it's totally wrong looking for the star wars universe I thought that in 99 I still think that today, it's a symbol for everything wrong with the prequels.

Is that like being militantly apathetic?

What's wrong with being militantly apathetic? Sounds like me in a nutshell

Hahaha, I love how this has gone through two pages about rotating an astromech 90 degrees, and we're still basically where we started. Oh, Internets...

Here's a thought - do we know R2 has his repair & grabber arms in the prequels? (Agh, I can't believe I'm trying to do a close-reading of such an abysmally poor source material!) In theory, he (she??) could have been retrofitted with them in order to serve as an X-wing astromech. For instance, in the prequels R2 has little repulsorlift jets, but we never see these in the OT; presumably, they were removed or destroyed. (Probably because without easy CGI, putting stupid things on astromechs gets much harder.)

Is that like being militantly apathetic?

What's wrong with being militantly apathetic? Sounds like me in a nutshell

I'm guessing Vanor meant "militaristically pacifistic," since that would be a paradox. All ironical and such.

I don't get why they didn't just rotate the droid 90 degrees.

Ninja'd. This. Exactly this. Derp.

I thought they couldn't rotate the droid or simply put it in the fighter was because as a cast member it wouldn't get enough exposure. It needed to be seen by the audience as much as it's human co-cast member.

Actually come to think of it, as much as the story is of the fall and redemption of Anakin the plot revolves around R2-D2. It is this droid that saves the humans (including Anakin) in Ep I (the 4th movie); rescues C3P-O in Ep II; carries the knowledge of Anakin and his children at the end of Ep III; has the plans to the Death Star in Ep IV; goes with Luke on his training and fixed the Falcons hyper drive just in time in Ep V and shows up in Ep VI.

Of all the case members R2-D2 is the only one that survived all six shows in tact. All of the humans either died or were not born yet and C3P-O had its memory wiped at the end of Ep III.

All in all the R2 and R4 units deserve to have their heads visible and in the proper orientation for us to appreciate them.

Oh wait I thought you were talking about casting; were you asking for mechanical or military reasons?

The n1 never looked good it's totally wrong looking for the star wars universe I thought that in 99 I still think that today, it's a symbol for everything wrong with the prequels.

I can definitely understand that opinion, but I think it partly matters how diverse the Star Wars universe is. Is there room in the Star Wars universe for a planetary culture obsessed with clean aesthetics? The Naboo clearly were influenced by classical European and Japanese design cues, and their culture was obviously very concerned with the form of things. Moreover, unlike the people of the core, the Nabooans respected nature, and had built a civilization that was very Frank Lloyd Wright-esque in the ways in which its city melded into the natural world (the inspiration for Naboo was a Frank Lloyd Wright building). If we accept all that about the Naboo, then the N-1 makes sense as a naturalistic design where form follows function, and where performance is maximized while at the same time clearly also paying attention to aesthetics.

My real problem with the prequels is that none of the ships really show the old Star Wars design aesthetic, except perhaps the Sith Infiltrator. So, the N-1, being out of place, looks like the culprit, but I think the problem is that it was supposed to be a unique adaptation for a particular world, and instead that design aesthetic leaked into other things.

I don't get why they didn't just rotate the droid 90 degrees.

Ninja'd. This. Exactly this. Derp.

I thought they couldn't rotate the droid or simply put it in the fighter was because as a cast member it wouldn't get enough exposure. It needed to be seen by the audience as much as it's human co-cast member.

Actually come to think of it, as much as the story is of the fall and redemption of Anakin the plot revolves around R2-D2. It is this droid that saves the humans (including Anakin) in Ep I (the 4th movie); rescues C3P-O in Ep II; carries the knowledge of Anakin and his children at the end of Ep III; has the plans to the Death Star in Ep IV; goes with Luke on his training and fixed the Falcons hyper drive just in time in Ep V and shows up in Ep VI.

Of all the case members R2-D2 is the only one that survived all six shows in tact. All of the humans either died or were not born yet and C3P-O had its memory wiped at the end of Ep III.

All in all the R2 and R4 units deserve to have their heads visible and in the proper orientation for us to appreciate them.

Oh wait I thought you were talking about casting; were you asking for mechanical or military reasons?

See previous posts -- 90 degrees on its cylindrical axis.

I don't get why they didn't just rotate the droid 90 degrees.

Ninja'd. This. Exactly this. Derp.

I thought they couldn't rotate the droid or simply put it in the fighter was because as a cast member it wouldn't get enough exposure. It needed to be seen by the audience as much as it's human co-cast member.

Actually come to think of it, as much as the story is of the fall and redemption of Anakin the plot revolves around R2-D2. It is this droid that saves the humans (including Anakin) in Ep I (the 4th movie); rescues C3P-O in Ep II; carries the knowledge of Anakin and his children at the end of Ep III; has the plans to the Death Star in Ep IV; goes with Luke on his training and fixed the Falcons hyper drive just in time in Ep V and shows up in Ep VI.

Of all the case members R2-D2 is the only one that survived all six shows in tact. All of the humans either died or were not born yet and C3P-O had its memory wiped at the end of Ep III.

All in all the R2 and R4 units deserve to have their heads visible and in the proper orientation for us to appreciate them.

Oh wait I thought you were talking about casting; were you asking for mechanical or military reasons?

See previous posts -- 90 degrees on its cylindrical axis.

So much from my humor,

I wouldn't mind the N-1 at least because it should be able to b-roll

I like b-rolls

they're neat tricks

Yeah, I see it having barrel roll, boost, and an S-turn (not the same thing as S-Loop). Having seen one made to scale by Mel now, the N-1 is TINY. It's much more lightly built than even an A-wing or a TIE Interceptor.

I wouldn't mind the N-1 at least because it should be able to b-roll

I like b-rolls

they're neat tricks

EYE C WAT U DID THAR!

I think the main problem most people have with the n1 isn't the actual design of the ship, it's the color they choose for it in the movie. If they had painted the thing in a different pattern, in blue or green maybe, I think it would have gone over a lot better.

I've always liked yellow on fast things, like Ferraris and whatnot. I can see it's not hugely popular with everybody though. The black N-1 from another thread is fantastic looking.

I think the main problem most people have with the n1 isn't the actual design of the ship, it's the color they choose for it in the movie. If they had painted the thing in a different pattern, in blue or green maybe, I think it would have gone over a lot better.

On my list of problems with Ep1, the color of the spaceship is so far down the list.....if it makes the list at all

I agree with nightshrike. The N-1 very much reflects the culture iand ideology of it's people. I think the N-1 is fine, the big mirrored looking ships from naboo dont make much sense to me.

when you walk into the cantina, you see all these different alien races, and they are different. It makes sense that there ships would be influenced by who they are. there are a lot of industrial design desicions I did not like in the prequels, but the N-1 I think looks good and makes sense

Does it look like a X-wing? No. does a tie fighter?

I have an idea. Let's regurgitate all the same ideas from multiple similar threads debating whether or not we want prequel ships in X-Wing. Oh, you've already started.

Let me again say the CEO declared the game is the GCW going way forward. That should settle it, but some say the YT-1300 and other ships are prequel. There's a difference between prequel movie ships and GCW, some of which were available during the pre-GCW (prequel) era. The ships from the prequel movies were not.

In addition, prequel movie ships look oddly out of place compared to the ships in the game now. Many, including me, don't want them in the game for that reason, and because the factions from the prequel movies are incongruent with those in this game.

This usually elicits a strong backlash. I don't want to make you angry by saying I don't want you to have your toys. I hope you get them in their own game where they rightfully belong.

I know most of this has already be said but why not throw in my two cents:

The N-1 is a nice looking ship. I'd expect speed and agility from it but not a lot of firepower. The astromech on it is certainly a bit weird but when it comes to fitting I too think it could go in with shoulders fore and aft instead of left and right and it would fit well enough. When it loads from the bottom the head sticking out is enough although there should be a touch more room for the legs.

As for the Jedi Starfighters I think they look nice and remind me a lot of the A-Wing except for them I too have a very hard time seeing how a full astromech droid would go into one of those slender edges. I'm not a fan of the asymmetry but there are places it is used so I can accept that.

I have an idea. Let's regurgitate all the same ideas from multiple similar threads debating whether or not we want prequel ships in X-Wing. Oh, you've already started.

Let me again say the CEO declared the game is the GCW going way forward. The ships from the prequel movies are not in the GCW. Some GCW ships were available in the prequel era. In addition, prequel movie ships look oddly out of place compared to the ships in the game now. Many, including me, don't want them in the game for that reason, and because the factions from the prequel movies are incongruent with those in this game.

This usually elicits a strong backlash. I don't want to make you angry by saying I don't want you to have your toys. I hope you get them in their own game where rightfully belong.

If you don't want to make people angry, it might be best not to begin your post with a sarcastic rejoinder.

I don't mind upsetting people for rehashing the same topic for the umpteenth time. I don't want to upset them for sharing the overwhelming argument against prequel movie ships, again.

Edit: but I am sorry if a little Internet sarcasm bothers anyone on an online discussion forum.

I don't mind upsetting people for rehashing the same topic for the umpteenth time. I don't want to upset them for sharing the overwhelming argument against prequel movie ships, again.

Edit: but I am sorry if a little Internet sarcasm bothers anyone on an online discussion forum.

If you don't like the conversation, it's as simple as not clicking the link. I'll never understand posts which amount to "Oh, you guys are talking about this thing again? People have talked about that a lot! You shouldn't be talking about it because it's been talked about a lot...by other people...on other threads...in other places..."

Also, kudos on doubling down on the sarcasm, that's definitely going to help keep things civil.

Also to be fair, Lucasarts did set up the n1 for being the most "includable" of the prequel ships by running it along ot ships in rogue squadron

This isn't just your forum, so I also get to say what I like and don't like posted. I don't like the same topics constantly polluting the forum with no new content.

I didn't double down on anything. I truly am sorry for anyone who can't handle a little sarcasm on the Internet.

Also to be fair, Lucasarts did set up the n1 for being the most "includable" of the prequel ships by running it along ot ships in rogue squadron

True. And the canon now shows Naboo N-1s in use during RotJ thanks to the remastered Blu-rays we all despise. But it's still there. So, there's no reason the N-1 can't be GCW era, even if it is primarily Clone Wars. I doubt we'll see it in the game personally, but I'm happy to have my Mel's mini N-1 to paint and play with.

Also to be fair, Lucasarts did set up the n1 for being the most "includable" of the prequel ships by running it along ot ships in rogue squadron

True. And the canon now shows Naboo N-1s in use during RotJ thanks to the remastered Blu-rays we all despise. But it's still there. So, there's no reason the N-1 can't be GCW era, even if it is primarily Clone Wars. I doubt we'll see it in the game personally, but I'm happy to have my Mel's mini N-1 to paint and play with.