Yeah, I think Scyk statline, TIE fighter dial, and Focus, Target Lock, Evade, and either Boost or Barrel Roll would be good.

Where does the idea that Naboo was isolationist come from?

The trade federation was blockading the planet to prevent them from trading with other worlds. That means, well, that they were trading with other worlds i.e. not isolationist. The fact that they were a significant enough trading hub to justify a major political incident

Or that they were deemed a suitable target by the TF precisely because they weren't a big deal.

Worlds that aren't a "big deal" don't cause "Turmoil has engulfed the Galactic Republic.". Naboo was important enough to be a significant concern to a senate dealing with, at minimum, hundreds of thousands of worlds.

and that their senator was a prominent, powerful one, representatives from backwaters don't get nominated for chancellor

Says who?

Common sense. People that represent a nothing world aren't important enough to curry the favor needed to be elected to an important position. They don't have the political capital to do the favors necessary.

Mini eggs! now I must get some.

Good luck, I haven't been able to find any. I know they stop selling them around Easter, but I thought they'd last a few days

Where does the idea that Naboo was isolationist come from?

The trade federation was blockading the planet to prevent them from trading with other worlds. That means, well, that they were trading with other worlds i.e. not isolationist. The fact that they were a significant enough trading hub to justify a major political incident

Or that they were deemed a suitable target by the TF precisely because they weren't a big deal.

Worlds that aren't a "big deal" don't cause "Turmoil has engulfed the Galactic Republic.". Naboo was important enough to be a significant concern to a senate dealing with, at minimum, hundreds of thousands of worlds.

and that their senator was a prominent, powerful one, representatives from backwaters don't get nominated for chancellor

Says who?

Common sense. People that represent a nothing world aren't important enough to curry the favor needed to be elected to an important position. They don't have the political capital to do the favors necessary.

Take a look at leadership of the EU. Different systems have different traits. It could well be that in the Star Wars galaxy people don't trust senators from the bigger worlds to be unbiased, and have a tendency to support ones from smaller worlds. Or perhaps they only judge candidates on their own merits. Or perhaps it's more complex and that. The point is we don't know.

Come on, you don't think the TF would have started their offensive with Coruscant or somewhere like that do you? They made a choice, it turned out they underestimated the response (hardly surprising, given they were being manipulated by Palpatine). Anyway, I may be wrong, 's just the impression I got, it's more a feeling than something I worked out logically.

Where does the idea that Naboo was isolationist come from?

The trade federation was blockading the planet to prevent them from trading with other worlds. That means, well, that they were trading with other worlds i.e. not isolationist. The fact that they were a significant enough trading hub to justify a major political incident

Or that they were deemed a suitable target by the TF precisely because they weren't a big deal.

Worlds that aren't a "big deal" don't cause "Turmoil has engulfed the Galactic Republic.". Naboo was important enough to be a significant concern to a senate dealing with, at minimum, hundreds of thousands of worlds.

and that their senator was a prominent, powerful one, representatives from backwaters don't get nominated for chancellor

Says who?

Common sense. People that represent a nothing world aren't important enough to curry the favor needed to be elected to an important position. They don't have the political capital to do the favors necessary.

I seem to remember Bill Clinton of Arkansas getting elected President.

Actually, there's a whole (human {16th century Arabic, I think?}) political theory which holds that eventually the rulling class will always grow complacent and vulnerable to takeover from people on the periphery, who have been honed by privation.

This theory was alluded to in the Tarkin novel to explain why the Outer Rim was producing more than its share of leaders.

All true, and all good points, but Naboo is not some kind of provincial backwater. It's a very advanced society, with policies that reflect concerns for tradition, but also for democracy. They are obviously active players in Republic politics, and the blockade of the Trade Federation illustrates not just that they were trading widely outside their world, but that their trade had value, otherwise they wouldn't be worth controlling. Also, just because they are small militarily doesn't mean they are small politically. Many nations have relatively small militaries owing to an alliance with the US via NATO, but they can be big economic players nonetheless - Japan and Germany spring to mind. In fact, the whole Japan-Naboo connection seems pretty clear to me. They prize aesthetics and outward appearances, which are carefully cultivated, they respect tradition, they have a small self-defense force rather than a true military, and lots of their costumes and stuff are Japanese-inspired.

All true, and all good points, but Naboo is not some kind of provincial backwater. It's a very advanced society, with policies that reflect concerns for tradition, but also for democracy.

Darth Plagueis depicts it as very much a provincial backwater, at least initially. It's an Outer Rim world and prior to 70 BBY was heavily isolationist. After it came out of isolation it was reliant on the Trade Federation and thus under the Trade Federation's boot until the Battle of Naboo.

Even after the Battle of Naboo it's certainly no political heavyweight. Palpatine's interest was always increasing his own influence rather than Naboo's (it's his own political web, not Naboo's, that got him Chancellor) to the point where he came into conflict with Veruna, and Amidala was far too much of an idealist to use her influence to Naboo's ends. Her focus was also far more galactic.

and the blockade of the Trade Federation illustrates not just that they were trading widely outside their world, but that their trade had value, otherwise they wouldn't be worth controlling.

The Trade Federation controlled Naboo's plasma trade exclusively, and that trade was Naboo's first opening up to the wider galaxy.

Naboo's trade was in plasma fuel. Prior to the deal brokered in 70 BBY-ish by the IBC and Trade Federation to mine and ship it, they were a backwater stuck in the past and the dominant factions were very resistant to intergalactic trade and Republic itself in fear of being exploited. Their commercial starport was then built by the IBC and they contractually sold the plasma to the Trade Federation at fixed prices. They were indeed exploited, and the Trade Federation put a collosal markup on the plasma exports. The successor to Bon Tapalo, Ars Veruna, was very much aware of this exploitation and it was he who commissioned the design and manufacture of the N-1, partly so that the Naboo could fight back if they had to and partly as a show of force against the Trade Federation, which had a huge financial interest in keeping the arrangement as is. With the power and freedom they wielded under the hugely corrupt Republic they could use intimidation tactics like the blockade to quash the Naboo's attempts to get out from under their boot without much fear of consequences. There are many worlds known as "client worlds" that are so under the Federation's boot in this way that it controls their votes in the senate.

The conflict between the Trade Federation and the Naboo happened mostly because of Darth Sidious's manipulations, but it's based around this incredibly lucrative plasma: Naboo's a gold mine of it. While the Trade Federation never would have had the balls to invade without Sidious's manipulation their aim was to get the Naboo to back down.

Yeah, I think Scyk statline, TIE fighter dial, and Focus, Target Lock, Evade, and either Boost or Barrel Roll would be good.

I'd recommend Barrel Roll and the E-wing dial. Good maneuverability thanks to the reposition actions and stops it getting green 1 turns. I'd consider sacrificing Evade for the other reposition action too.

Edit: Nevermind.

Some quotes that might be relevant:

"The N-1 was never intended as a dedicated combat starfighter, but it does function well in small skirmishes against space pirates or outlaws."

- The new essential guide to vehicles and vessels

"The people of Naboo have prospered under the security of the Republic, advancing their society without concern for outside threats."

- Episode I The visual dictionary

Thanks, Lingula. I think those quotes further the point that the N-1 isn't on par to fight the GCW ships.

That NEGVV quote is silly. It's a starfighter. What else is it for if not combat?

Small skirmishes against space pirates or outlaws.

All true, and all good points, but Naboo is not some kind of provincial backwater. It's a very advanced society, with policies that reflect concerns for tradition, but also for democracy.

Darth Plagueis depicts it as very much a provincial backwater, at least initially. It's an Outer Rim world and prior to 70 BBY was heavily isolationist. After it came out of isolation it was reliant on the Trade Federation and thus under the Trade Federation's boot until the Battle of Naboo.

Even after the Battle of Naboo it's certainly no political heavyweight. Palpatine's interest was always increasing his own influence rather than Naboo's (it's his own political web, not Naboo's, that got him Chancellor) to the point where he came into conflict with Veruna, and Amidala was far too much of an idealist to use her influence to Naboo's ends. Her focus was also far more galactic.

and the blockade of the Trade Federation illustrates not just that they were trading widely outside their world, but that their trade had value, otherwise they wouldn't be worth controlling.

The Trade Federation controlled Naboo's plasma trade exclusively, and that trade was Naboo's first opening up to the wider galaxy.

Naboo's trade was in plasma fuel. Prior to the deal brokered in 70 BBY-ish by the IBC and Trade Federation to mine and ship it, they were a backwater stuck in the past and the dominant factions were very resistant to intergalactic trade and Republic itself in fear of being exploited. Their commercial starport was then built by the IBC and they contractually sold the plasma to the Trade Federation at fixed prices. They were indeed exploited, and the Trade Federation put a collosal markup on the plasma exports. The successor to Bon Tapalo, Ars Veruna, was very much aware of this exploitation and it was he who commissioned the design and manufacture of the N-1, partly so that the Naboo could fight back if they had to and partly as a show of force against the Trade Federation, which had a huge financial interest in keeping the arrangement as is. With the power and freedom they wielded under the hugely corrupt Republic they could use intimidation tactics like the blockade to quash the Naboo's attempts to get out from under their boot without much fear of consequences. There are many worlds known as "client worlds" that are so under the Federation's boot in this way that it controls their votes in the senate.

The conflict between the Trade Federation and the Naboo happened mostly because of Darth Sidious's manipulations, but it's based around this incredibly lucrative plasma: Naboo's a gold mine of it. While the Trade Federation never would have had the balls to invade without Sidious's manipulation their aim was to get the Naboo to back down.

This is very cool stuff, I really like it. Is it coming from the Darth Plagueis novel? I really don't know much about the EU, so I'm a bit at a loss there.

Yeah, I think Scyk statline, TIE fighter dial, and Focus, Target Lock, Evade, and either Boost or Barrel Roll would be good.

I'd recommend Barrel Roll and the E-wing dial. Good maneuverability thanks to the reposition actions and stops it getting green 1 turns. I'd consider sacrificing Evade for the other reposition action too.

I could see that. I'd still go with the TIE fighter dial. I see zero reason for the N-1 not to be able to make a 1-turn, and they'd have to take an astromech to make it green, which limits the potential for other astromechs and has a cost associated, so I'm okay with that for my own purposes. But if we went focus, target lock, barrel roll, and boost, with no native evade, that'd be really interesting as far as green dice though. In that case, I'd feel anxious with the 2 hull and 1 shield.

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Ah, so 13 posts after I asked where the isolationist stuff comes from, I get an answer. Excellent.

That is pretty decent background. I would then hypothesize that some groups on Naboo were doing an end run around the Trade Federation and selling their stuff on the open market and that created the initial tensions that Palpatine was able to exploit to create the crisis in the first place. I don't know what all the novel covers, but given his SOP, it doesnt seem a stretch that it was Palpatine himself who was responsible for the illicit trade that the Federation was objecting to and that he was able to escalate the matter because, like the clone wars themselves, he controlled both sides of the dispute.

So do you believe FFG will introduce the N-1 into the current GCW version of X-Wing, or is this mostly fanciful wishing and home brewing?

So do you believe FFG will introduce the N-1 into the current GCW version of X-Wing, or is this mostly fanciful wishing and home brewing?

I've answered this several times in the thread, but I've got an N-1 mini, and I'd like to make some stuff to use it for RPGs that utilize the X-wing system for ship combat.

Small skirmishes against space pirates or outlaws.

Which is combat.

I would then hypothesize that some groups on Naboo were doing an end run around the Trade Federation and selling their stuff on the open market and that created the initial tensions that Palpatine was able to exploit to create the crisis in the first place.

More like the Naboo government all but outright antagonising them. The N1s for example were a direct provokation.

But if we went focus, target lock, barrel roll, and boost, with no native evade, that'd be really interesting as far as green dice though. In that case, I'd feel anxious with the 2 hull and 1 shield.

It'd be a ship where the idea is not to get hit at all. Boost instead of evade would also open up the option of Autothrusters.

Yeah, come to think of it, it's rare for an evade action to save me anyway, and when it does, it's down to piloting error. This would be a very fun ship to fly. And I have a native reposition action I'm ready to try with it - an S-turn. It would basically emulate reversing thrust on one engine and maximizing it on the other to yaw the ship hard over, and then reversing it back to straighten out. It would be plotted by making a one hard to the intended direction of travel, and then a one hard back the other way, producing an S-shaped single-side offset.

Small skirmishes against space pirates or outlaws.

Which is combat.

I would then hypothesize that some groups on Naboo were doing an end run around the Trade Federation and selling their stuff on the open market and that created the initial tensions that Palpatine was able to exploit to create the crisis in the first place.

More like the Naboo government all but outright antagonising them. The N1s for example were a direct provokation.

But if we went focus, target lock, barrel roll, and boost, with no native evade, that'd be really interesting as far as green dice though. In that case, I'd feel anxious with the 2 hull and 1 shield.

It'd be a ship where the idea is not to get hit at all. Boost instead of evade would also open up the option of Autothrusters.

That. It's small, fast, and very clearly advanced. An Autothruster capable ship that can hold an astromech AND torpedoes?

There is absolutely design space in the meta for that.

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That. It's small, fast, and very clearly advanced. An Autothruster capable ship that can hold an astromech AND torpedoes?

There is absolutely design space in the meta for that.

I wouldn't say it's more advanced than any of the other fighters floating around. Advanced to me usually means system slot.

Why doesn't the Defender have a system slot?

Yeah, come to think of it, it's rare for an evade action to save me anyway, and when it does, it's down to piloting error. This would be a very fun ship to fly. And I have a native reposition action I'm ready to try with it - an S-turn. It would basically emulate reversing thrust on one engine and maximizing it on the other to yaw the ship hard over, and then reversing it back to straighten out. It would be plotted by making a one hard to the intended direction of travel, and then a one hard back the other way, producing an S-shaped single-side offset.

Would you do that with two 1 templates or does it have the base offset too (so in essence a double maneuver)? (The problem there being how you deal with blocking)

That. It's small, fast, and very clearly advanced. An Autothruster capable ship that can hold an astromech AND torpedoes?

There is absolutely design space in the meta for that.

I wouldn't say it's more advanced than any of the other fighters floating around. Advanced to me usually means system slot.

Why doesn't the Defender have a system slot?

Yeah, come to think of it, it's rare for an evade action to save me anyway, and when it does, it's down to piloting error. This would be a very fun ship to fly. And I have a native reposition action I'm ready to try with it - an S-turn. It would basically emulate reversing thrust on one engine and maximizing it on the other to yaw the ship hard over, and then reversing it back to straighten out. It would be plotted by making a one hard to the intended direction of travel, and then a one hard back the other way, producing an S-shaped single-side offset.

Would you do that with two 1 templates or does it have the base offset too (so in essence a double maneuver)? (The problem there being how you deal with blocking)

That's something I've been thinking over. Obviously the offset is bigger if you plot it and then plot it again. I think that's the way I would do it, as otherwise you have to have two 1-hard templates, which is unreasonable. But in that case the blocking would depend on where in the maneuver it was stopped, part 1 or part 2.

What do we think?

Give it oooooooooooooone more shield and we've got a ship well worth the cost. It's way to easy to one-shot that thing. Shoot, even a TIE Fighter could do it.

Which is really, really kind of sad. Nothing should be able to be 1-shotted by an Academy Pilot. No less a prestigious fighter from Naboo's greatest engineers. It'd be insulting.

To be fair, in the films the droid starfighters were one-shotting them it looked like. Note that this can also one-shot a TIE fighter and a TIE interceptor. It can also use proton rockets or other munitions, and given that there is a munitions fix in the offing, that might be something. Plus, if you wanted, you could put R2-D2 on it and regenerate a shield every time you made a green maneuver. I suspect the R2 Astromech would be better though, and then you'd get green hard 1s and 2s, as well as native boost and barrel roll. With that and PtL, if you're getting shot, you deserve to die?