Here is the situation:

Loser uses his power to declare an upset, but he only has a Negotiate card, so he plays it. His opponent plays an Attack card, so the Loser loses, and thus wins. (With me so far?) Now, since the opponents ships went to the Warp, does the opponent get to take compensation? My instinct says no, because the opponent did not actually play a Negotiate card, and is thus ineligible for compensation. And the Loser does not take compensation, because none of his ships were sent to the Warp.

Thoughts?

The Vidiot said:

You are correct on both counts. Loser should be feared if he ever has a hand full of Negotiates - it effectively turns him into a Pacifist that can't be reasoned with (since you must play an Attack against him if he declares upset).

never considered this before...

Badass

Wow, I'll have to check back at my alien sheets, I thought the Upset was only taking place with double attack cards revealed.

Hem said:

Not just then - the rules just state that the players must play Attack cards if they have one. Without that requirement, declaring upset would just elicit Negotiates out of both players' hands (resulting in a deal at the very worst).

Woa, really? The EON version of the Loser had no restrictions on the cards you played, and if you played a Negotiate (Compromise in EON terminology), you still "gave up" and lost the challenge. Loser's upset power did not change the effect of the Negotiate card. Does FFG's version turn the Loser into a psuedo-Pacifist?

-shnar

shnar said:

It does indeed. Mind you, if Loser and Pacifist square off, Loser calls upset, and Pacifist plays a Negotiate (because he has no Attack/Morph cards) vs. Loser's Attack Card, Pacifist's power will trigger which makes him win, and therefore, lose. However, because he loses with a Negotiate card, he gets compensation - something Pacifist rarely sees.