Homme Chapeau said:

My big problem is that I've been playing VF since the beginning. Anyone else that I play with doesn't have the same love for VF that I do. So I don't tend to get to play much against humans, and I enjoy playing Fighting games the most against humans.

Antigoth said:

It is the nature of the games. I honestly didn't pick up VF until VF4:Evo (didn't have the consoles before) but Evo was such a great introduction to the game and the series that it turned me into a fan instantly.

Homme Chapeau said:

Until VF4: Evo... there wasn't a console version of the game worth owning. It took Sega to stop having their own console to finally make a console version of their flagship game worth owning/playing.

VF1 on the Sega Saturn blew chunks.
VF3 on the Sega Dreamcast - slow, plodding, painful to play.

Never got to try a port of VF2 - not really wanting to either.

VF4 Evo - I had a joygasam when I first played it. It truly captured the arcade on a home console. I think the joygasam was magnified by the disappointment I had experienced on earlier ports.

Antigoth said:

I've never agreed more with you. I'm the biggest VF fan I know. Mad props for playing Shun Di, dude. I love Goh, followed by Vanessa, and then Umenakouji. I can't SPoD on demand for anything though, so my Yuki is pretty weak.

VF4 was alright, but Evo is totally when I got immersed into it. It's the best 3-D fighter to date...and I love me some Soul Calibur too.

Dang, someone really hates Tekken. T_T.

I'll be honest, this set does not interest me at all, but I am sure there will be some singles here and there that I will need to buy off of CSI.

Just Doin' Work said:

HEY.

THIS THREAD IS NOW ABOUT VIRTUA FIGHTER.

**Off-topic**

I'll be buying a box of Tekken and splitting a second with the scout. Got to build my brother a king deck and I'll be playing kazuya. He is pretty much getting to UFS because I showed him King. I've never played a Tekken but he loves the game and this King fellow.

On-topic**

Sounds like you guys really like virtua fighter lol.

bloodocean said:

I'm praying King plays like he does in the game - throw, kick, throw, throw, smash, throw, throw. - his DDT gives me hope that's going to be true. King is one of my go to guys from Tekken. (Sadly, I know I won't get True Ogre - "Take off, and nuke them from orbit, it's the only way to be sure."

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To find someone who wants VF as an exansion is a wonderful thing. I remember when I first looked at Seth (Morrigan, former STG designer), and told him they should get VF, and he said to me "It's not a popular game, and no one really likes it". I was all bummed out... so now that I've got a few folks who are down with the VF, I'm going to revel in it for a for a little bit.

Antigoth said:

Honestly, that's why I'm sticking with Kazuya/Paul since that's been the two I've played in 5, and since 6 doesn't seem very good I might as well play it through UFS.

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I thought VF fans on this board were always very vocal so long as one of them brought the subject up.

I agree with Seth Morrigan's statement. I didn't know anyone this side of the ocean likes the game other than me.

ROTBI said:

SNK was in even worse shape when they snapped it up, and the licenses they've got from SNK definitely weren't the best they could have gotten. But it still sold.

I just want some virtua love okay? And that doesn't mean send me porn.

Homme Chapeau said:

Sh1t! Delete that email from me.

- dut

Antigoth said:

Well, THAT King has changed a lot, and for the better! King, for lack of better words, was more of a novelty character (for his mask, of course), and has never been one that ever mattered.

That was, of course, until 5DR, where he had enough of being bottom tier, soared right to the top, and has since pretty much stayed in the "usable" tier. He'll always be throw-tastic, but nowadays, it's less like you put it, and more - generic air combo ending in throw sauce, while throwing in some hawt low kicks for good measure.

VF is the best 3D fighting series there is. The games flows better, is more realistic, you don't get bogged down with cloned characters (Jack, Eddie/Tiger/Christie) or the stupid characters (Raptors, Bears and Kangaroos, really??) the motion capture process for VF is much more involved, so everything looks spectacular. There are too many reasons to love VF.

Someone please sell VF5 to me, because I've tried getting into the game, and the game just feels awkward for a 3D fighter. Tekken and SC flow much more naturally TBH. Tell me why I'm wrong, please.

LordAggro said:

For what it's worth:

1. I can't play street fighter worth a ****, have never been into the game, and actively avoided fighting games (with the small exception of Mortal Combat 1 & 3) until something about virtua fighter caught my eye in the arcade.
   
2. Play Lau (or Pai), and from a standing position try punch, punch, punch, Kick. It was easy, effective, had a nice amount of damage, and allowed you to flow into a bunch other things. If you knock your opponent down, the up kick to jump and land on your opponent for extra damage, just amused the hell out of me.
   
3. Part of my joy with the game is the long term familiarity I have with the game. If you know how to play VF1, the fundamental mechanics for VF5 are roughly the same.
   
4. There is no ranged attacks (Tekken), and the fighting styles for each of the fighters (VF) is actually modeled off of real fighting styles.
   
   

Stylistically I find Virtua Fighter much more complimentary to Soul Calibur, in terms of transitioning from one control set over to another. At the same time, the buttons are differently placed enough, that it can be a culture shock, and probably impacts your feeling of the game. There is a beauty to playing Fei that is only equaled by the flow of Xianguah or Maxi. But with VF there is more control to the flow if it makes any sense.

In terms of playability - SCIV has the nod on story over VF, while Tekken is miles ahead of both. If you've got someone to play with who "knows" VF, and knows how to play it, it has a beautiful level of flow. Additionally the playstyles between the different characters is very distinct. With SCIV / Tekken there is a certain amount of basic button mashing that carries over from character to character. If you know that X, Y, or Z works, you can roughly figure it out for each character on the fly. There is much less of that with VF, and the variance between playstyles for each of the characters is significant.

Also, from experience, I've tended to find that players who start by button mashing are typically punished by VF, and that the AI will push players at earlier levels more then SCIV or Tekken will. (Depending on difficulty)

Oh... and places are blowing out VF5 for both the X360 and PS3 Platforms for like $10 for brand new copies.

$10 for a quality fighting game on that level is $10 well spent compared to some of the other crap out there.

Well, Antigoth, you've at least convinced me to give it another go. I'm a huge fan of grapplers (I wrestled in college myself, so I play guys like Zangief or King preferentially). I know Wolf wrestles, so do you have any cool combos to share with me?

LordAggro said:

Wolf and Jeffery are both grapplers, and despite my love for King, I never really got comfortable with Wolf / Jeffery. However flinging people with Wolf can be fun and look really cool if you can pull it off.

LordAggro said:

To be honest, that's what I love about VF. It's the most fluid 3D fighter out there, with Soul Calibur a close 2nd. The reason why people don't know that is becuase you actually have to learn to play it. Unlike Tekken, which any idiot can pick up in seconds (mastering the game still takes more than that, naturally), Virtua Fighter takes awhile to even learn the easier-to-intermediate stuff. But when you do it's so much more rewarding.

If you've never played it before it's going to feel slow and awkward but, once you learn it you'll be amazed at how smooth the game is in terms of animation and flow. Once you get all the basics down, you'll see how it's not nearly as slow as when you first picked it up. Games nowadays, by and large, don't have much of a learning curve so that's why the average player can't get into it. As was mentioned the moves are based (mostly) on actual martial arts, so if you're looking for fireballs or boxing kangaroos, it's not the game for you. Also, if you're looking for great in-game dialogue or story, stay away, lol! I love the game, but holy crap does it have terrible dialogue. If you enjoy "B" movie type acting, listen to the lines delivered by Jeffry, Lion, or El Blaze!

Hmm, never really played Tekken or VF... might be fun. Gotta say Antigoth sold the VF side.

First Fighter that I really played and loved was Soulcaliber 2. Gotta love SolCal...

Honestly I'm in the same boat as the OP. I don't like Tekken at all. Mostly, though I bought the game to begin with having the understanding that I could play my favorite characters and have them be viable. As things are now, none of them are (after the newest wave of bans), and there's not another Street Fighter, Darkstalkers or Samurai Shodown set anywhere on the radar. Tekken is standing between me and what I want. I've looked through the set and there's only two cards that even appeal to me a little bit. One of them only because the wording leaves out something that was clearly intended, so it allows you to know your opponent's checks and draws until some other card or game effect shuffles their deck. I wouldn't have a problem with Tekken if they'd print promos of characters from licenses that haven't seen a set in ages. What makes things even worse is Hata's new approach to card design that throws so many cards into the game that are only viable with certain characters. Some of us (like myself) are playing the game for the characters from games we love. It's not exactly fair to completely forget about synergy with older characters and sets, and only give good 'Character only's to new characters. The best one I ever got was a way worse version of Rolling Storm. Yay.

To be really blunt... if you buy a game with the express motivation of having a bulletproof deck with your favorite character, then working into others, it's retardedly frustrating when they print a copy of that character that's mid-to-high power when it came out, but because of power creep and counters has become mediocre at best... then they proceed to ban every single card that makes that character worth playing on any of her symbols. It's a huge kick in the junk. To be honest the only reason I'm still even remotely interested in the game is that I won the Character Creation contest and I'll get to add my character to the long queue of decks to make after FFG sees it fit to make cards that make an aggro Sakura deck viable in any competitive sense whatsoever. I think that FFG's new approach to licenses is horrible for the game, because right now myself and many other people don't really care much for Tekken, and we're being told we'll have to wait months or even years before we get to see our favorite licenses and characters return to the game. There's not even a legal Chun-Li and we're moving on to new licenses and postponing UFS' most iconic game property for a year... even when there's characters that have been completely left out save for being pictured on a single card (Everyone should know who I mean )

All that said I won't be boycotting Tekken. I want to support FFG, I want to have more UFS sets... but the system for releases needs to change. It's been way too long since I got anything even remotely involving characters I bought into the game to play... like since the rotation to Block 2.

there is a legal chun-li the promo one that lets you build foundations

DrUnK3n_PaNdA said:

How'd you see the entire set?

Well Panda, I'm just going to comment about one thing: "UFS' most iconic straight", clearly implying that is Street Fighter.

There's a very, VERY good reason for why it isn't going to be on the radar any time soon: it has saturated our game since day 1, and fan or not, it's getting ridiculous seeing 10 star Chun-Li and another useless Ryu and Cammy being churned out to appease fans (which it fails to even do that by making a crappy version of a fan-favorite).

Sets 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 9, and 11 included Street Fighter, as well as the Battle Pack, meaning only 3 times total during the dual-set distribution was there not a Street Fighter. By now, there remain very few SF characters to print, and most characters have already had so many cards that we see stuff like "Ken's Close Fierce Punch".

As has been said, sometimes sacrifices must be made. The first was the price increase. Now the dropping of two sets (except during starter times) and the loss of holos.

It may be a while before we see our "favorites", but seriously, stop being so greedy. I hate hearing "we UFS players don't care about Tekken." Really? Then why was it the most requested franchise? I realize the big appeal was being able to play as your favorite characters, but have you ever tried branching out? Trying the games?

When I first saw KOF, I thought it was a rip off of Street Fighter, and said, "Who played KOF in their youth? SF was around first."

And after playing it...

...it kinda is a bit of a rip off lol. But now that I've done my research and learned of the KOF world, I've found many favorites and have learned much of the characters and their background, and I'm glad I did.

I think Virtua Fighter or Guilty Gear joining UFS is grossly unappealing, but I know if they did, I'd load up the console and play the games and learn of the story.

MarcoPulleaux said:

You're dead to me.

BTW: PEOPLE THIS TOPIC IS ABOUT VF.