::R . Mika:: Reversal ability Interaction

By saikyo_crusher, in UFS Rules Q & A

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Okay, so with how the steps on combat are worded, I assume that if I play R. Mika's second E: ability, then she creates a special instance of being able to play an attack as a Reversal before The Damage Step 8.3.3 but after The Block Step 8.3.2 IF the attack would deal damage (ie: partially blocked or if it has the Throw Keyword). Because this creates an instance of playing a Reversal before the normal Reversal Step 8.3.4, does this mean if I partially block this attack or if I block a Throw attack (completely or partially), that I can then play a Reversal Keyword ability during The Reversal Step 8.3.4 as normal? I ask this because of the recent ruling on Demuth's Sponsorship that also creates a special instance for playing attacks as a Reversal in addition to the normal allowed during The Reversal Step 8.3.4.

If this does work, then assume I completely block a Throw attack. If I am playing R. Mika and have a Demuth's in play, could I feasibly play 3 Reversals to an opponents attack provided Demuths reveals an attack?

Sorry for the length, but I have to be clear in how I word this ruling request.

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First of all : you've got a squirrel. Edit and link to twoheadeddragon, it should work ^^

Now, the question.

E: If your opponent has 4 or more cards in their hand, before you take damage from this attack, you may attempt to play a Reversal from your hand and resolve it. Playable while committed.

This enhance allows you to play a card possessing the Reversal keyword ability before the Reversal step. The card is not played as a Reversal, but specifically played because it matches the conditions for R.Mika's Enhance. This means that with one attack, when you're playing R.Mika, you can use two reversals (at least that's how we play it where I play). If you've got Demuth's sponsorship as well, you do get to play a third attack - if you have completely blocked the attack that is - in the following order : R.Mika-enabled Reversal (which is NOT played as a reversal meaning abilities triggered when the card is played as a reversal won't work), normal Reversal, Demuth-enabled revealed attack.

That's how it should logically work anyway, correct me if I'm wrong ;)

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sorry...don't know how to edit the original post...but I like squirrels...

Anywho, if this does work, then I assume I should be able to play 2 reversals as well using the foundation Blind Loyalty, correct?

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That's how I played R.Mika ^^ One R.Mika-enabled Reversal, one Blind Loyalty-enabled Reversal.

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Could I ask for a stamp on this?

Thanks

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**stamps**

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Okay, I don't want this to sound wierd, but...

I love you man.

No really.

This makes R. Mika teh Reversal sauce FTW!!!

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Judas (Donald) and I were discussing this last Tuesday.

As near as I figure, the timing is like so:

1) If you played the E, at the beginning of the Damage Step (before damage is dealt), whether the attack was blocked or not, you play a Reversal and resolve it. As Nekuro eloquently explained, this is not played as a reversal. To my knowledge this is the only ability that lets you resolve an attack within the resolution of another attack. (I.e., it puts the other attack's damage on hold.) This could lead to weird stuff with Mika vs. Mika mirror matches, but whatevs.

2) Assuming your reversal resolves with no additional funkiness, you then take damage from the original attack.

3) You enter the Reversal step for the original attack. If the attack blocked (perhaps it was a throw, or it was partially blocked), you now play a Reversal as a Reversal. You don't resolve it yet.

4) The Reversal Step ends. This means the original attack resolves. If you completely blocked it (if you also got the early reversal through Mika's E, then it was a throw), then you could trigger Demuth's here, playing a second attack "as a reversal". Don't resolve it yet.

5) Now resolve the Reversal played as a reversal during the reversal step. (It's been waiting patiently.)

6) Now resolve the attack played as a reversal with Demuths. (It got in line. Now it's its turn.)

Congratulations. You have played 3 reversals to one attack. (One through funky Mika E, one played as a reversal as normal, one played through funky Demuth R after resolution of the attack.

Note that Demuth's attack gets in line after the earlier reversal. The AR specifies that multiple copies have to wait for reversals to resolve (8.3.4.4), but it doesn't say anything about new reversals making older reversals wait. So you resolve in the order they are played.

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ARMed_PIrate said:

Judas (Donald) and I were discussing this last Tuesday.

As near as I figure, the timing is like so:

1) If you played the E, at the beginning of the Damage Step (before damage is dealt), whether the attack was blocked or not, you play a Reversal and resolve it. As Nekuro eloquently explained, this is not played as a reversal. To my knowledge this is the only ability that lets you resolve an attack within the resolution of another attack. (I.e., it puts the other attack's damage on hold.) This could lead to weird stuff with Mika vs. Mika mirror matches, but whatevs.

2) Assuming your reversal resolves with no additional funkiness, you then take damage from the original attack.

3) You enter the Reversal step for the original attack. If the attack blocked (perhaps it was a throw, or it was partially blocked), you now play a Reversal as a Reversal. You don't resolve it yet.

4) The Reversal Step ends. This means the original attack resolves. If you completely blocked it (if you also got the early reversal through Mika's E, then it was a throw), then you could trigger Demuth's here, playing a second attack "as a reversal". Don't resolve it yet.

5) Now resolve the Reversal played as a reversal during the reversal step. (It's been waiting patiently.)

6) Now resolve the attack played as a reversal with Demuths. (It got in line. Now it's its turn.)

Congratulations. You have played 3 reversals to one attack. (One through funky Mika E, one played as a reversal as normal, one played through funky Demuth R after resolution of the attack.

Note that Demuth's attack gets in line after the earlier reversal. The AR specifies that multiple copies have to wait for reversals to resolve (8.3.4.4), but it doesn't say anything about new reversals making older reversals wait. So you resolve in the order they are played.

Based on the way the AGR is currently written, you don't actaully have the window to respond with Demuth's until after the attack sequence for the reversal is triggered. I'm going to get that cleaned up a bit with the September AGR update.