Jutland was indecisive - over four hours of battle without a single battleship sunk. Though I have to admit that does make a pretty good point about the value of armor...I think I would prefer the Bismarck vs. HMS Hood engagement as a historical example.

Of course, the battleship was rendered obsolete by the ultimate expression of speed and firepower at the expense of durability: the airplane.

Mr. Deathtoll begs to differ.

About that Planes vs. Battleships thing: it's risky to point that on SW:A forum because the very same thing also applies to Star Wars space battles. Let's face it: all the Armada rules are specifically made to pretend the big ships were useful. Everyone who watched the trilogy knows the space battles were all about starfighters and the big flying triangles were just overpriced troop transports.

The tiger battle is a tad misleading, though, because the tiger is just absolutely nasty no matter the range nor angle of approach (you need to hit the rear to have a prayer of hurting it, though) while the Victory is far less devastating at any arc that isn't the front and isn't nearly as scary from far away

The 76mm gun on the 'Easy Eight' Sherman (which 'Fury' was one) could penetrate a Tiger I's front armor from ~500m. Such an encounter would certainly be bad for the Shermans, but not as bad as the movie depicts.

Of course, both sides made some pretty stupid decisions in that movie ("we're going to send your tanks out alone, unsupported, while the M8 Greyhounds that you see as you're leaving just get to chill..." "hey, there's an American tank all alone, but all these Panzerfausts are heavy, so we're going to set them down and march in formation towards it..." "hey, there were Germans in this forest, but we're going to get out of our tanks because the Nazis never had snipers..."), so the Tarkin-style overconfidence of the Tiger commander just goes with the theme.

Fury was a good movie but unbeliveable. The tiger battle was a little silly. Also the last fight was stupid. There was NO WAY one sherman was able to take out so many troops. Why would you have your troops run straight at it?

The tiger battle is a tad misleading, though, because the tiger is just absolutely nasty no matter the range nor angle of approach (you need to hit the rear to have a prayer of hurting it, though) while the Victory is far less devastating at any arc that isn't the front and isn't nearly as scary from far away

The 76mm gun on the 'Easy Eight' Sherman (which 'Fury' was one) could penetrate a Tiger I's front armor from ~500m. Such an encounter would certainly be bad for the Shermans, but not as bad as the movie depicts.

Of course, both sides made some pretty stupid decisions in that movie ("we're going to send your tanks out alone, unsupported, while the M8 Greyhounds that you see as you're leaving just get to chill..." "hey, there's an American tank all alone, but all these Panzerfausts are heavy, so we're going to set them down and march in formation towards it..." "hey, there were Germans in this forest, but we're going to get out of our tanks because the Nazis never had snipers..."), so the Tarkin-style overconfidence of the Tiger commander just goes with the theme.

Fury was a good movie but unbeliveable. The tiger battle was a little silly. Also the last fight was stupid. There was NO WAY one sherman was able to take out so many troops. Why would you have your troops run straight at it?

Very much agreed, but check out one of the inspirations for the final battle with Brad on the machine gun: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audie_Murphy#European_Theater

Sorry, doesn't seem to linking to the 'European Theater' section for the bit I'm revering to (although it all is worth a read!)

Probably echoing a lot of statements here but you don't need shields in the back unless you are running away from the shots. Otherwise you want your front facing to be beefy.

On that note, I am playing Edge of the Empire (RPG) and my clunky freighter has more shields in the back because I am always running away. **go wayfarer go**

Just depends on your needs.