I know the standard is 100 pts and is easier to fit in schedule wise

But since epic ships and the soon releases raider

I hope ffg do come out with some sort of epic tournament kit.

I think it can be done

Smaller venues may have to do it over a coarse of a few days Maybe

Even bigger ones

For smaller venue if they had to, maybe have two days that can have two separate groups and on a third day do the finals

For bigger venues same idea

Stretch it over two Saturday or something

Now before some say "well some people may not get the available time to fit in that many days," I'm sure there are a lot who would

The more dedicated groups.

I think alt art cr90 card from the movies, and acrylic energy, and a template would make for some cool prizes

Thoughts?

The regular kits are made to be used with whatever tournament format you want.

True, but why not a tournament kit strictly for epic games is what I'm getting at, and the prizes would be for upgrades/tokens/ship alt art that is used in epic only

I'd really like to see this level of support for the format.

In the short term it'll be interesting to see how much effect the Raider will have on Epic's popularity, but a Scum huge will finally put enough options on the table for an Epic meta to take shape.

I'm really glad FFG has put in the time to get the format right. We're seeing evidence of that in the recent rule change. Laying the huge ship mechanics on top of an already intricately balanced game would be so easy to get wrong. Not for nothing, I think we'll see the Scum huge sooner rather than later, and the groundwork (and wait) paying off. At that point I'd be surprised if FFG didn't try to push the format.

I T.O. events at my FLGS. We get between 8-14 players every month. Once I had an epic format as our monthly event, only 2 showed up. Now I know this is not the case every where, but I'd rather see FFG spend the money on things with more impact then epic.

I think this would be cool. Only concern is time constraints. Other than that, sounds fun.

I T.O. events at my FLGS. We get between 8-14 players every month. Once I had an epic format as our monthly event, only 2 showed up. Now I know this is not the case every where, but I'd rather see FFG spend the money on things with more impact then epic.

Epic has suffered due in no small part to only one side having access do huge ships. The raider will hopefully change this...and an epic specific tourney Kit would do alot to generate more interest...it would be worth the in investment to at least try don't you think?

I am very eager to see Epic battles, tournaments, or anything. But until the Raider lands, this is premature. There's not much for Epic meta when the only builds are Tantive or No Tantive. I love the idea of Epic, but at this point I'm surprised even two players showed up for an Epic event.

I patiently wait for the day when each faction has a couple Epic ships to choose from. And I agree with Lansing that we should trust FFG to take the time needed to make it right.

A Team Epic tournament has more appeal to me than 1v1 epic. What do you think is the minimum amount of time a tournament round of this format could be? I know the FAQ says 150 minutes, but that is almost 3 hours can't it be played quicker?

A Team Epic tournament has more appeal to me than 1v1 epic. What do you think is the minimum amount of time a tournament round of this format could be? I know the FAQ says 150 minutes, but that is almost 3 hours can't it be played quicker?

Depends on how badly you play

I generally play 1 or 2 300 point games a week - they all run to between 2-4 hours not including set-up time, so 150 mins seems realistic.

Personally, I think official tournament kits is EXACTLY what Epic needs to bring it to some sort of relevance in this game. Your right, right now in this game epic is a novelty at best. Sure, some folks play it but a majority of X-Wing players play standard events. There's no FFG bling to be had mind you! I would think alternate art epic only upgrade cards, acrylic tokens, movement templates, range rules and the like would drum up a lot of interest in the game.

I do not think the standard format for tournaments would work though, swiss being broken out to a top 4 or whatever, as each game most likely would need 90 minutes to play and take up WAY too much time. Most stores want to run an event on one day. I would think we would have to go back to older 40K RTT style events, 3-4 rounds at 90 minutes each in swiss to determine placing. It would need a scoring system similar to Armada's 10-0 style, where the more points you kill over points lost scores you better 'battle points', with MoV being the first tie breakers.

I think if done right it could work and would really increase the interest in that aspect of the game.

Well I'm glad there are some interest

I really hope ffg does consider it

I mean why not?

I like the way you suggested evil. A point system 90 min rounds

Thing is with epic, it takes so long to set up.

But once your set up the ne,t game will go quicker since you have everything ready.

How do they so tournaments in 40k?

I've never played it, but those must be some long games. If stores can manage that, why not epic?

Sure you can have an epic tournament with say a spring kit, but a epic tournament kit I think would draw more interest.

I'd love to get a alt art card of the cr90 from the movie a new hope l, and a acrylic range 5 ruler would be pretty sweet.

I hope ffg is waiting on the Raiders release then maybe they'll drop a epic tournament kit on us

As of now I think a lot would just show up with 300 pts of small and large ships, but with the raider and the recent change on the range bonus makes the cr90 much more valuable

The primary may finally hit something

If Epic gets its own tournament kits, can 100 point get its own kits too?

Because the tournament kits aren't setup to support 1 format over another. It's just a bunch of knick-knacks, promos and a medal. Nothing in there that is specific to 100 points or 300 points or X points in general.

I don't think Epic's problem is tourney support, I think Epic's problem is... well, Epic. 2 hour matches means that a 3-round casual Epic tourney lasts as long as an average Regionals (7 hours).

I think Epic lends itself more to League play, and the existing tournament kits work fine with that too.

I believe the standard tournaments kits are specifically designed for standard play. So 100 point standard games already have a store kit.

If Epic gets its own tournament kits, can 100 point get its own kits too?

Because the tournament kits aren't setup to support 1 format over another. It's just a bunch of knick-knacks, promos and a medal. Nothing in there that is specific to 100 points or 300 points or X points in general.

I don't think Epic's problem is tourney support, I think Epic's problem is... well, Epic. 2 hour matches means that a 3-round casual Epic tourney lasts as long as an average Regionals (7 hours).

I think Epic lends itself more to League play, and the existing tournament kits work fine with that too.

So what Epic needs then is missions and campaigns.

If Epic gets its own tournament kits, can 100 point get its own kits too?

Because the tournament kits aren't setup to support 1 format over another. It's just a bunch of knick-knacks, promos and a medal. Nothing in there that is specific to 100 points or 300 points or X points in general.

I don't think Epic's problem is tourney support, I think Epic's problem is... well, Epic. 2 hour matches means that a 3-round casual Epic tourney lasts as long as an average Regionals (7 hours).

I think Epic lends itself more to League play, and the existing tournament kits work fine with that too.

I think many, if not most of the tournament kits are being used almost exclusively for 100 pt. tournaments. Also, in what part of the world is a 3-round Epic event going to only last 7 hrs, each round is going to be at least 2 hrs long (at the one local epic event, each round was 2.5 hrs). And a regional event lasting only 7 hrs is also a pipe dream. Last year's ATL regional lasted 14+ hrs, heck the local store championship this year was 9+ hrs long (and that had 60 min rounds).

I think the OP was interested in Epic specific prizes that FFG won't put into a normal season kit, and I support that effort. If FFG creates one and it sells well, then they can create additional ones. I think my FLGS would purchase at least 2 kits if they were no more than the Store Championship kits.

I'd find it very cool if they came out with a tournament kit specifically for epic to coincide with the release of the Imperial Raider!

They could include some epic-only promos, like alt-art Huge Ship only upgrades, or acrylic reinforce tokens.

I would love to see tourney kits released in conjunction with the Raider to spur interest. It seems to make sense that FFG is thinking hard about the Epic format since we've seen a recent rule change that suggests they're doing plenty of balancing work. Epic tourneys would of course be more rare than standard tourneys, but I do hope to see them happen.

Acrylic range 5 rulers, huge ship movement templates, energy & reinforce tokens, and alt art...

I've seen the tournament kits, there's nothing in there that emphasizes 100 point play over 300 point play.

You also need to realize that tournament kits do not get handed out to stores and TOs for free, they are actually quite expensive. A TO or store is only going to spend the money on a kit because they know there is existing demand for it and they know that people will show up and pay the entry fee to cover the cost of the kit.

If I know Epic is unpopular among tournament players, why would I risk my money as a TO on a kit that only supports an unpopular format and can't be used with anything else? And what's to stop me from taking an "Epic kit" and just using it to run a 100 point tournament that I will know will fire and get me my money back?

Edit: My point is, it doesn't matter what's in the box, what matters is what TOs are willing to organize and whether players are willing to show up. The biggest obstacle to Epic becoming a tournament format is the constraints of Epic play itself, and the perceptions of Epic by the player base and by the TOs. A tourney kit with the word "Epic" on the front isn't going to fix that, it's just going to get re-purposed for 100 point tournaments.

I am sure that once the Raider gets released, EPIC OP will be tested at the very least if not outright supported.

YES PLEASE!

If they could do acrylic epic tokens and movie art promo cards that would be Sah-weeeeet! I'd play it as a league if need be. But an all day three round event with time limits would be fine with me.

Which remind me, I have to finish designing that event for the raider release.

YES PLEASE!

If they could do acrylic epic tokens and movie art promo cards that would be Sah-weeeeet! I'd play it as a league if need be. But an all day three round event with time limits would be fine with me.

Which remind me, I have to finish designing that event for the raider release.

Same here, I have to figure out the best time to run an all day event (we have done Team Epic in the past with great success). I might have to wait until after the Regional events in the area (late June) to get a Team-Epic event scheduled in my area. Also have to wait on the Raider actually arriving... . Will probably keep to the original local format of making it a less than competitive event with lots of door prizes.

That's kind of what I'm doing. Hoping to get a giant 5v5 200pt each game going. I'll link the thread that has the design in it later. Problem is I don't have any product for door prizes. :/

So what Epic needs then is missions and campaigns.

YES!!! I would love to see FFG release a book full of missions and campaigns with a bunch of mission specific tokens. It could have both standard and epic level scenarios.

Yeah, I know I'm dreaming.

Epic > Standard play in my book. I'd love to see more support for it on the back end. Standard tourneys take all day anyway, so I don't see Epic ones being any more inconvenient.