Prince Xizor (31)

Predator (3)

Virago title (1)

Advanced sensor (3)

Autothrusters (2)

Guri (30)

Predator (3)

Autothrusters (2)

Serissu (20)

Veteran instinct (1)

Heavy scyck title (2)

Flechette cannon (2)

How would you counter this list??

by shooting them most likely

absolutely agree 100% on the upgrades chosen on the vipers, but xizor and guri don't go well together because Xizor passing damage off to Guri or Seri is still a significant blow that you're not deriving much direct benefit from (as opposed to passing shots off to a sh*tty pirate or something)

Starvipers are sweet, but they're not really "carry" material in the same way a phantom or a stupid turret are. They still fold to enough normal grade fire, are maneuverable but not to the extent of a (tie) interceptor, and are expensive enough to fret over. Without bodies, they tend to get focused down more quickly than your average Corran Horn or w.e.

They're very scum-like in that they love an unfair fight (guri with predator and two focus is sweet, but smacking an enemy who bumped and has no actions is sweeter still). To facilitate this, they can navigate a hairball better than most:

1.) they have segnor's, which can be boiled down to two choices of k-turn making them far harder to block

2.) they can take sensors

3.) the dial is very flexible at lower speeds

4.) their abilities working off having either enemies or friendlies nearby (no actions required, so no worries about bumping) and they're priced cheaper relative to "carry" ships (predator + thrusters Guri = base Corran Horn)

I've found them most effective with blunt ships like Z-95s or Ys to just sledgehammer in the foe. If the list can brawl it out in close range, either starviper character would love to be right in the thick of it all.

After trying her, im not a huge fan of Seri. For her cost, she's rather trivial to focus down (especially with upgrades). You'd probably also want bodies to protect her/get as much benefit from her ability as possible.

Basically, the parts are good (unsure of seri) but I don't think they'll come together well. Seems to be you're trying to create some elite 3 ship list with scum's most maneuverable non-aggressor options, but despite thrusters Xizor just doesn't lend himself to that playstyle. You could adapt Guri into it, though, especially with lone wolf.

I'm going to assume this crushed the local meta, and that you're researching for future games. I'm also going to assume you fly this in a tight formation in the beginning, set on crushing a Phantom, or at least reduce damage taken by the Starvipers in the first salvo, then spread as needed.

absolutely agree 100% on the upgrades chosen on the vipers, but xizor and guri don't go well together because Xizor passing damage off to Guri or Seri is still a significant blow that you're not deriving much direct benefit from (as opposed to passing shots off to a sh*tty pirate or something)

Xizor is for show only, or at most to spread some of the fire. He has an EPT and he's PS7, no reason not to take him if you fly 2 Starvipers. Virago makes sense on him because you *might* use his ability to spread the opponent's fire.

• The only control element is on Serissu, and she can die pretty quickly. While you may normally crush Decimator - Phantom with this, a good Phantom will avoid Serissu's arc or stay cloaked for 1-2 rounds until Serissu is dead, taking a lot of damage on the Decimator on purpose. Low HP Decimator and Phantom vs 2 Starvipers should be close.
• Vs. Corran Dash this should also do rather well, taking few hits in the beginning and focusing on Dash, stressing him. Either Starviper vs. Corran should be easy, since they're super maneuvrable.
• I don't know how this fares against BBBBZ. You don't have enough firepower to take down a B a turn, so you're going to have to break formation and pull him into asteroid fields.
• Against double IGs, it depends on equipment. They will take out Serissu in one turn if they have HLCs, and you might not give a stress with Flechette in return. I run IGs with Wingman, so I could outmaneuver the Starvipers and it's over. One of your ships moves before them, so the IGs block Guri, but Xizor won't block much (small base).
• SuperFel swarm> I haven't run this list yet (Superfel 5 obsidians or Superfel Howl 3 mixed Ties), but it probably doesn't have enough firepower. It all depends on 2-dice vs. Autothruster interactions, so it's based on skill. Could be very dangerous with a good opponent
• Sigma swarm with 2 Alphas (Sigma + ACD + IA, 2x Alpha, Howl, Black + SL) might have enough firepower.

In principle this build should be good against turrets and 2-ship builds, but more ships bring more problems, I give it least chances against a BBBBZ, but any swarm with some 3-dice ships will give it trouble.

Thanks for the advice and insights

They're most usefull!!

I actually pulled off two store championship wins with this list

Facing off against phantoms corran plus Chewie double falcons double IG's and the BBBBZ list.. Predator versus ps2 with bad defence rolls just chews through b-wings...

My General idea is that although Xizor passes off hits.. he actually doesn't..

Seri is nice in the first turns until she get's shot off..

Then a lot of damage Will have been done already

I'll admit the list Was building Was doen with fun in mind based on 75 pts. Vipers with 25 to spare

It Was a Real surprise to win 2 SC's and with the regionals coming I want too flesh out the weaknesses and make the list even stringent

Any pointers in that respect??

Thanks for the advice and insights

They're most usefull!!

I actually pulled off two store championship wins with this list

Facing off against phantoms corran plus Chewie double falcons double IG's and the BBBBZ list.. Predator versus ps2 with bad defence rolls just chews through b-wings...

My General idea is that although Xizor passes off hits.. he actually doesn't..

Seri is nice in the first turns until she get's shot off..

Then a lot of damage Will have been done already

I'll admit the list Was building Was doen with fun in mind based on 75 pts. Vipers with 25 to spare

It Was a Real surprise to win 2 SC's and with the regionals coming I want too flesh out the weaknesses and make the list even stringent

Any pointers in that respect??

What about dropping VI on Serrisu and then giving him an ion?

I actually pulled off two store championship wins with this list

Facing off against phantoms corran plus Chewie double falcons double IG's and the BBBBZ list.. Predator versus ps2 with bad defence rolls just chews through b-wings...

So it is you, Vincent! This is Andrei here..

It Was a Real surprise to win 2 SC's and with the regionals coming I want too flesh out the weaknesses and make the list even stringent

Any pointers in that respect??

Congrats btw. I don't have any extra advice without actually seeing the list on the table.

What about dropping VI on Serrisu and then giving him an ion?

Yet having Flechette at PS10 is the whole point, if you catch a Phantom they're toast, they won't recloak that round.

It is me all kinds of people calling me white whale and stuff

Indeed serissu is there to put off phantoms en be generally annoying

How are you btw?