Shaneth said:

Jivatma would be one of the best Evil characters if he wasn't one of the worst.

in my opinion evil has always been a one trick pony. i build, i out control i stall until i run into my big mean nasty kill card called tiger fury (before eratta). now evil players have to start looking at other options. am i saying that evil is a bad symbol now ? no, im saying that it got strpped of the key cards taht made it a viable symbol for compettitive play, as a pet or fun deck, sure there is plenty of shinanegins to be had but not in the competitive arena. death is probably one of the top if not the top symbol right now, hilde off fire comes a dangerously close second. the reason death can beat it is because death can get its retardedly good control peices (inhuman, manifest, no memories, lesser of many evils, end it all just to name a few) out and active in a hurry, plus death has access to some of the best characters in the game like donovan and promo zi mei. it also has access to the rising star of finishers in the form of minuette dance. death trumps evil at every turn, and until evil can gain access to some form of finisher or crazy tech, its not going to be on top anytime soon

actually there is one deck that i can remeber that was fully retarded off of evil and that was ibuki. but again this was when it had access to cards like addes syndicate(banned), higher calibur(banned), infiltrating(only playable in legacy), rejection(banned), bitter rivals(banned) and the almighty kasumi suzaku(only playable in legacy). that deck would smach you in the face for at least 10 if not 20 damage on turn one. and thanks to that deck it got higher calibur and **ibuki** banned

spyke132 said:

First off

Can we stop talking about Hilde, or at least rename her Hypede? Because that's all she's EVER been: hype. And she isn't even as good in theory as Hanzo ended up being.

Now, let me just comment on your Evil rant...

You say Evil relied on Tiger Fury? Really? Because from my giant research article I posted about regionals reports, NEVER did an Evil deck EVER use Tiger Fury, EXCEPT in the lone case of Tuesday using his Evil Akuma build with Tiger Fury that I believe won him an event. That was once, and it never happened again.

Let me run down Evil's attack line-up right quick

4x Ichi no Tachi
3x Reverse Flayer/Dark Bite
3x Midnight Launcher
4x Knight Breaker

And you say Evil can't kill without Fury?

Reverse Flayer can combo off itself for mad killings.
Midnight Launcher has a PRINTED damage of 7, and in conjunction with Flayer, well.
Knight Breaker needs no explanation for its kill.

The unfortunate truth is that Death, Evil, and Fire almost look like the same symbol at this point, and although most of your points about Death are true, your assertions about Evil are not.

Evil has Red Lotus, a pivotal part of this game, that Death does not. Sure, Death has No Memories, but that's a bulky 4/4 as opposed to Red Lotus being 2/5, and No Memories is just bait for being committed (something Red Lotus has the ultimate say over).

Evil also has Billiard Player, a seldom-mentioned card that essentially tutors foundations. Oh, and one more biggie..

BLOOD

RUNS

TRUE

I've never heard of evil players complaining about killing. They have predominatnlty been one of the only symbols that can kill people for the most part.

Chain throw - Kunai - absurd

Suzie Q

Zi Mei free damage Enhance

Like of all sankuros stuff

Knight breaker

Shoulder rush

Midnight Launcher

Reverse Flayer

Float a brick

If anything the complaint has been that Evil has been the ONLY symbol able to kill most of the time. Even now some symbols dont have great kills like good not having a feline like attack or whatever have you. I've never been at a loss to kill with evil.

Evil has electrolytes, the stuff plants crave!

Evil doesn't have a problem killing.. It just now it can"t really defend itself from scary cards like Fight or Flight.. Well I don't care I will try my best to keep the 3 year tradition of Evil Women winning Worlds!!

As much as I feel like a ****** for saying this...

Evil Doer Destroyer knocks the Hell out of FoF.

MarcoPulleaux said:

Ah yes you stop 1 but what a/t the other 1 or 2 FoF thats waiting???

I've got a Night terror deck thats resonably good. granted its 3 knight breakers, 3 BRTs and a launcher short of being Worlds material. its kind of goofy, but it can beat most of the local decks, Felicia, Seoung mina, Sagat. Its definately a solid deck.

Ninjazanus said:

Are you making it to Worlds? Cause I would lend you the cards you need just to see if it could beat my Sagat!

why hasnt anyone started running launcher/breaker combo with jivatma? discard your opponents hand while giving your attacks damage boosts and at the end pop stars aligned and play the combo enhance on knight breaker for 22 damage?

If i only had the cards to do it i would try it out myself and hell even splash into mountain for that all importaint draw tech

Cause hand discard tech is brutal...

Immortal-JyNxX said:

Well it's a first e, so kinda solves that problem...

Bah, I felt like a ****** for saying it, but inevitably, Scott Gaines would bring it up if I didn't.

MarcoPulleaux said:

Fight or Flight isn't a First E ...

well...guess you'd better block their attack then huh?

We're so used to alternative ways of blocking (Rejection, Criminal Past, Battle Prowess) we've forgotten that blocking is even a part of our game.

MarcoPulleaux said:

Good luck blocking when the attack is 10-20 speed lmao!

Wafflecopter said:

You win. You were able to say "penii" in a coherent, relevant statement.

Evil's still good. It's by no means GOD anymore.