The 900 throne Hardened Body Glove (now known as HBG) states that... ,making the wearer harder to detect with auspexes, IR vision and the like (imposing a -20 penalty on tests to notice the wearer). The problem i'm having is does the suit affect normal eye sight and such? Would they be getting negative to their perception checks to notice someone wearing the HBG stealth suit?

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No, the perception penalty for spotting them applies only to technological methods of detection- psychic means and Mk 1 Eyeball are unaffected (unless you take additional measures- cameoline, ghilly suits worn over the top, miniaturised and highly sophisticated holo-projectors, psychic powers etc). I've always ruled that unless you wear something over it, the HBG (stealth or otherwise) makes you look like Raiden from MGS2- including the silly scuba mask if you use the hood (and not doing so reduces the stealth aspect).

Since the HBG seems to be a simple black body glove, I don't see where it would aid in visual camouflage to the point of a -20 - though one could certainly use a cameleoline cloak, ghilliy suit or simply camouflage over it.

I agree with the other posters here. But another question is how this is applicable. Sure, if an acolyte makes a stealth test while sneaking through some underbrush or other place with alot of hiding places, but what if he's 5 meters away in a corridor? Does this suit somehow negate the (technological) Dark Sight trait totally, or just make it harder to see the character with such equipment when he's already hard to see (i.e. require an awareness test)?

Or does using the stealth skill in DH allow you to hide in plain sight?

Or does using the stealth skill in DH allow you to hide in plain sight?

Depends on the circumstances, I'd say. If it's clear that the spotter is looking towards the direction of the hider, there's not going to be a test. If he's distracted or simply looks to another direction, Silent Move can help.

Does this suit somehow negate the (technological) Dark Sight trait totally, or just make it harder to see the character with such equipment when he's already hard to see (i.e. require an awareness test)?

Assuming the corridor is dark, provides no cover and the spotter has Darksight, I'd say finding the hider would require a Silent Move vs Awareness test as long as the hider makes some effort to remain hidden (does not blithely walk in the middle of the corridor).

Cifer said:

Since the Dark Sight trait renders darkness irrelevant, I can't see how you could hide in a corridor without any alcoves etc. If the target is looking the other way for some reason (distracted) I could see a case, but then it would be Silent Move and the hardened body glove would be inconsequential anyway.

The armor text seems to be poorly worded if they really meant to mean that you could be invisible to IR vision in total darkness or require a perception/awareness test where there would usually be none.

Since the Dark Sight trait renders darkness irrelevant, I can't see how you could hide in a corridor without any alcoves etc. If the target is looking the other way for some reason (distracted) I could see a case, but then it would be Silent Move and the hardened body glove would be inconsequential anyway.

Since we specified Dark Sight to be derived from technology, it would be hindered by the Body Glove's systems - Low-Light vision does usually not discern colours very well which hampers silhouette recognition while IR would be negated by the Glove's insulation.

Cifer said:

If so that's what the text should say. It doesen''t instead it only says -20% to awareness tests to see the person in darkness (or something similar). It doesen't seem to be that good, instead it makes it harder for wearers using IR etc. to spot you if you're already hard to see (I.E awareness test required)