LetsGoRed said:

Good call, especially since she is "Any Phase," so you can use the combo to draw a card for 1 influence without messing up the utility of either effect for the more interactive phases like Challenges or Dominance.

Thank you Nine989 for posting the spoiler.

fabest said:

I´ve also got very mixed feelings about the chapter pack, but as a player in general.

For my taste there are too much charachters in the chapter pack that are already existing in the LCG enviroment. I´m thinking about Tywin, Eddard, Robert and Jaime. While i know some may argue that we had some of the main charachters every year in a big expansion back in the CCG time, i don´t think that shouldn´t be the claim for a LCG game where the card pool isn´t developing that fast as it used to back in the CCG time. There are still so many charachters in the books which were only printed once or never - so why should it be a good idea to burden the card pool with already existing charachters over and over again?!

Related to this thematic i really wonder if the spanish version of Jaime is probably lacking the kingsguard trait? The cp sequel was announced to support kingsguard decks, so either this Jaime is a misprint or we won´t have a kingsguard Jaime (huh?) or probably a third LCG Jaime with the kingsguard trait will show up.

I´m also a little unsatisfied about some of the weakened and changed "indirect" reprints of older cards, such like the tourney mount ( easily comparable to the tourney of swords war horses), Bully from the port (very cool picture but a mix of a weakened mix out of veteran looters/ warrior of the old way), Dornish lover (wildling messenger anyone?!).

In an overall view this cp doesn´t seem to be too imaginative and straight forward.

However there are also some good impressions i got from the cp. The appearance of Lord Jon Arryn, the overall great artwork, the -1 gold penalty for Eddard when you are playing Baratheon, the fact that Robert is best when there are no shadow creatures lurking around his iron throne. ~Has anyone else noticed how the iron throne seems to burdenize Robert? :-) And it´s very well done that there now is a reliable cancel event available for every house.

I think the only way for them to keep LCG feasable and NOT rotate is to have a decent number of cards redone each cycle.

The only other game I know that doesn't have rotation is vampire... and that's because of several reasons.

1.) They reprint a LOT of older cards each base set.

2.) Many expansions are small, or they support a specific clan and are not useable outside of a specific deck (The Laibon/Ebony Kingdom as an example).

3.) Even then they limit what vampires you can have in the crypt to a specific range.

I would imagine that in lieu of giving those shadow abilities to new characters they are making shadow mechanic versions of those characters and alternate mechanic characters. The card pool is increased, there are just limitations to which combinations of cards you can use.

I suspect the next cp cycle will also have new versions of the same characters and locations. OR they may decide that some houses have enough cards and reduce support for them, and introduce a new house. That is if they want to not rotate anything but keep the card pool manageable. The problem with unrestricted card pool is eventually there becomes too many cards of a specific mechanic.

Old Ben said:

I'm right there with you. In fact i started a thread about this after seeing (and figuring) who would be in this cycle of chapter packs before they even came out. I mean we have 2 Maester Aemon's and 2 Grand Measter Pycell's!!!!

I think maybe people didn't realize the impact until they saw all the 'repeats' in one chapter pack. And honestly if this CP didn't have the event cancel in there i might have become the first CP i only buy one of.

I might buy they need shadows versions of all the main characters, but that doesn't explain jkaimer, eddard, 2 aemon's and pycell's and a few others. We could have just gotten those shadow versions (like tyrion, arya, varys, littlefinger, and mel(?)) without having twyin, jaime, renly, etc. Yeah i know they were IN kings landing, but how does that explain balon and half of the targ characters. Also, Renly was in lots of places and there were 100s of people they could have used that were in and more intergral to king's landing.

Thanks old ben! I was waiting for someone to say thank you!

heh, we all did it last post and took you for granted this time

seriously though this is a great thing to see a few days/weeks before the CP hits over here and thanks for taking your time do put it up and translate.

Old Ben said:

For my money, I've always wanted to see a Kingsguard version of Jaime where his artwork and abilities matches his depiction in a Storm of Swords, and he acts more like a Kingsguard, rather than a puppet of Cersei and Tywin. Maybe something as restrictive as a tricon version that is unable to attack, I don't know... that's what I was hoping for in this expansion.

Something like:

Jamie - Neutral Kingsguard

P No attachments.

Cost 3 STR 4.

Armies don't kneel to defend military challenges while Jamie Lannister is standing.

I actually think multiple versions of the big characters is good for the game. It makes deckbuilding decisions more difficult, especially since most of the character's versions are useful. I rather enjoy having to decide between Catelyn and Catelyn or Cersei and Cersei. Plus, these are the characters people want to see (discounting us competitive environment types, apparently).

you really liked seeing aemon and pycell again in the cp cycle right after the core set? or selmy 6 months later (especially with the lack of a jorah mormont)?

i don't mind seeing a new version of a 'main' character once a year, but not 2 to 3 times a year.

Well, it didn't bother me, no. And umm...both of those characters were given new in-house versions...~that's anti-MWNK tech!

Speaking of the new Barristan, I wonder if FFG is going to continue the direction of Targ with "look at opponent hand" effects. So far this expansion we've got Barristan, Aegon's Hill, and the new 1 cost weenie, Merchant Spy. Is that a direction FFG has taken Targ or any other house before?

Targ also seems to be getting a lot of intrigue icons, especially with small characters... Street Waif, Merchant Spy, Dany's Handmaider, Qartheen Fanatic... I hadn't really thought of them as an intrigue house, but they are quickly becoming one. Now if only they would print some Dragons with intrigue icons... :-)

Targ has had intrigue before... thier specialized character from arok was intrigue.

Look at hand? There was You Murdered Her Children which was Martel.

bloodycelt said:

~Don´t forget Observation point, one of the best cp cards we ever had.

Some serious cards were Ghost of high heart, Confession, a martell spy from WED block. There are also more - but i´m too lazy too search for them at the moment. ;-)

Targ has been an intrigue heavy house ever since the WED block in my opinion- at least one of the houses with a reliable amount of intrigue icons.

Back to the topic of multiple main charachter prints. I´m absoutely with Lars here, i don´t like multiple versions of main charachters in a year and i don´t get the argument why it should be different to choose between Cersei and Cersei or say Cersei and e.g. Paxter Redwyne? There will always be a deckbuilding decision, because you can´t pack every existing Lannister card in your deck. Having a lot of different unique charachters however gives the possibility to build real scenario decks and to reflect the story of the books in the card games. It´s interesting and brings variations to the game if you are able to play a Lanni shadow deck with different charachters, a Clansmen deck, a kingsguard deck a main charachters deck etc. instead of always being forced to play Jaime, Tywin, Cersei, Tyrion, Bronn alltogether in one deck, because you need them for a basic theme like the shadow mechanic.

Also it´s not like as if we really have all of the main charachers in print today, for example i´m really missing "The mountain that rides" and i was so hopeful when i saw the artwork of the Time of trials cp, i really thougt that the knight on the picture was supposed to be Ser Gregor and not any generic Baratheon war horse. That said, Ser Gregor was definetely one of the charachters which was in kings landing and had an important role there, so he should better be in one of the next cp. Maester Qyburn is also another of the charachters it would like to see in a forthcoming cp.

foxpillow said:

[Yeah, but there are alot of characters we want to see that have no LCG format card. Why have 2 Catelyns and no Lysa Arryn? Why have 2 Neds and no Blackfish, Roose Bolton, etc.? I understand thematic sets, but space them based on the play environment. ~And we still don't have a playable Cersei or Pycelle, despite having 2 in the environment.

And I second the vote for Gregor in the LCG environment.

kpmccoy21 said:

If you've been following the spoiler/preview articles over the last few months, we already know for certain we'll be getting Gregor, Qyburn, and a number of others in the KLE cycle.

where did they talk about gregor? i remember qyburn, but not the moutain that rides.

Lars said:

I'll have to find the article, but I'm about 95% sure it was there in one of them.

I just went back through and didn't see Gregor.

kpmccoy21 said:

Well, maybe I went and confuzled myself somewhere in there. I'll search around and see if I can find it.

If I'm just a doofus, and it was in fact never confirmed... Then I agree whole-heartedly that we need one.

Would any of our Spanish-speaking amigos be willing to share the x3, x1, breakdown with us?

I like the Eddards ability but as a Stark player I am missing a Deadly

Then did you see the Artwork? I think some of them are great, like Robert, Jon Arryn or Jaime. But did you see Eddard? Hes not anything I imagined. And specialy Tywin, since when he start looking like a 90 years old weazen Astaporian? And what about Ser Preston Grenfield...since when are charaters on cards drawn as Anime?

What do you think?

jmccarthy said:

Rozy said:

~ Jaime Lannister (5KE) ?! ;-)

I think the Eddard artwork is good, though he´s really looking different to the other Eddard artworks we know. The Tywin artwork is also acceptable, but we are used to other Tywin artworks.

Old Ben said:

Okey, but Jaime still looks like character, but Ser Preston Grenfield is just a big Helmet with some white under, and blur around