What if Word of Misery is in play and monster has attacked Jain but instead of suffering 1 (heart) she suffered 1 (fatigue)? Should she suffer another (fatigue) from Word of Misery or not?

What if Word of Misery is in play and monster has attacked Jain but instead of suffering 1 (heart) she suffered 1 (fatigue)? Should she suffer another (fatigue) from Word of Misery or not?

Nope. If she doesn't suffer a wound, she doesn't need to suffer a fatigue. However, note that when it comes to attacks, she can still receive conditions even if she turns all the damage into fatigue- this is because conditions are inflicted if the attack deals damage (compare hearts and pierce to shields) not if the target suffers damage (physically taking a wound token.)

Hi,

I think I've found the ultimate answer to this case:
Jain's hero ability reads:
When you suffer any amount of damage from an attack , you may choose to suffer some or all of that amount as fatigue instead; you cannot suffer fatigue in excess of your stamina.

So, yes, she can avoid the Word of Misery, but only when getting damage from a direct attack (monster / lieutenant / mind-controlled hero..)

But, she can't use it on:

Poison:

At the start of your turn, test strength. If you pass, discard this card or token. If you fail, suffer 1 damage and keep this card or token.

The additional 1damage from Doomed:

Each time you suffer 1 or more damage, suffer 1 additional damage .

Word of Pain:

Play this card at the end of your turn. Each hero tests strength. Each hero who fails suffers 1 damage.

...and such cards.

There is indeed a restriction on when Jain can redirect damage to fatigue. However, the original question specifically pertained to a situation where Jain was attacked while word of misery was in play, so her hero abioity ould be used in that case.

@Alarin: I disagree with your interpretation on Doomed as it takes effect in step 5 Deal Damage of the attack. As such the damage suffered is considered as damage from an attack. Doomed just increases the damage suffered in this step by 1. Thus, Jain could prevent suffering the additional damage and suffer fatigue instead. This would prevent triggering Word of Misery in this situation.

@Alarin: I disagree with your interpretation on Doomed as it takes effect in step 5 Deal Damage of the attack. As such the damage suffered is considered as damage from an attack. Doomed just increases the damage suffered in this step by 1. Thus, Jain could prevent suffering the additional damage and suffer fatigue instead. This would prevent triggering Word of Misery in this situation.

I still think those are two diferent things. If the Doom should increase the damage recieved, they would not use the wording : suffer 1 additional damage .

It would be a modifier, something like: The damage done to you is increased by 1 - in that case I gues you would only get one hevier damage.

But, now it looks like, each time you get at least 1 damage (from attack or a card) then the Doom prosc and deals 1 isolated damage, which can't be considered as an attack as it's an effect of the condition.

But I know what you mean.

I can find the actual answer if you need me to, but I've asked FFG before about "doomed", and it does not create.a separate "suffer damage" trigger, it increases damage suffered by 1 in the same trigger.

So if Jain (doomed) is dealt 2 wound in an attack while word of misery (WoM) is in play, here's how it can go down:

A) Jain does no shift any damage from the attack to fatigue. She suffers 2 (but because of doomed, this is increased to 3). Since Jain has suffered damage, WoM causes her to suffer 1 fatigue. Total: 3D, 1F

B) Same as "A", except Jain has no fatigue left to suffer so WoM misery causes a damage instead. Same instance as the attack, so doomed does not trigger a second time. Total: 4D, 0F

C) Jain shifts 1 damage from attack to fatigue, suffers 1 damage (increased to 2 because of doomed) and WoM causes another fatigue to be suffered. Total: 2D, 2F

D)Same as "C", but Jain is fatigued out after shifting one of the attack damages, so WoM causes a damage instead. Total: 3D, 1F

E) Jain shifts both damages to fatigue. Neither doomed nor WoM triggers, because no damage was suffered. Total: 0D, 2F.

Here is a part of the actual answer by FFG on Doomed (just in case that you need something official).

[...] if a hero is Doomed they will never suffer an instance of 1 damage, because Doomed will make that instance of 1 damage into 2 damage, thereby removing the possible trigger for Pins and Needles. Doomed is not a separate instance of damage dealing, so there is not timing conflict in which it can be chosen to be resolved second, it simply modifies the one instance of damage to be one more than it was before.

oh,, thank you.

Can't argue with them of course... do you have a link to this please? looks like good information there.

**** I still think they should have used different wording :D... They used the wording before:

Leoric: Each monster within 3 spaces of you receives -1 damage on all attack rolls (to a minimum of 1).

Doom: Attacks against you recieves +1 damage on all attack rolls. ...or something

The word additional is confusing.. sounds like .. well something additional, something new.

Looks like it's just me, nevermind x)

Here are links to uFAQs on Doom. The second one is the one I was referring to.

thanks man

I'll just chime in and say that this applies to other effects that increase damage by one, or 'suffers one additional damage', such as the shadow walkers shadow soul.

This means that the shadow soul additional damage applies to the attack being made by the hero, rather than a separate trigger, which makes is useful for cases where a monster may only be damaged by a specific hero (such as Harrowing Fires in MoB) or has triggers for taking damage (such as the reanimate monster group). Since the damage is considered the same source as the triggering damage, and not a separate trigger, shadow soul damage does affect the master bone horror (in Harrowing Fire), and reanimates do not get to regenerate before taking the additional heart from the shadow soul.