ATC only works on primary weapon attacks. However, its not horrible with Prockets. You can always just spend the TL to make the Procket attack better if need be. I think 5 dice with Focus + TL is likely better than 3 w/ focus and the added ATC crit.

I guess I can't feel bad about forgetting the text on a card that is not even released yet but thank you. So the new title doesn't really do anything to help ordnance.

I had to look it up too. I remember it being Primary only, but wasn't certain. Accuracy Corrector + Cluster Missiles isn't bad, especially against 1 agility ships. You know at a minimum you are getting at least 2 hits through.

If you use AC would that block ATC abilitiy?

Unless you get two system slots...

Unless you get two system slots...

Thats what I get for asking at work. couldn't remember if AC was mod or system.

I am thinking of putting calculation vader on whisper/fel/vader but now you make me think on the initiative bid as well.

Just something I've been thinking about since I saw the new Tie Advanced stuff and the Calculation card:

"The Colonel's Calculation Corrections"

How many would consider prockets on vader?

Vader with ATC has an effectively 6 dice attack if he can get range one with target lock and focus. Toss in predator for a re-roll....

I want so badly for ordnance to be worth it.

If you're building lists with TIE Advanceds getting TLs for Vessery, you might want to look at adding in Alozen. His ability would be helpful for getting TLs on high PS targets of opportunity for Vessery.

ATC only works on primary weapon attacks. However, its not horrible with Prockets. You can always just spend the TL to make the Procket attack better if need be. I think 5 dice with Focus + TL is likely better than 3 w/ focus and the added ATC crit.

I guess I can't feel bad about forgetting the text on a card that is not even released yet but thank you. So the new title doesn't really do anything to help ordnance.

I think many of us have made this mistake with Procket and ATC Vader.

I call this "Missiles, Missiles ^*@(ing Everywhere":

Tempest + Title + FCS + Cluster Missiles x 4

It has the potential to roll 24 modified red dice in a single round. It might be the first squad were you don't want to focus fire. If you have 4 enemy targets, attack each with the Alpha, then mop up whatever is left.

This list makes me happy. What ships have a good chance of living through that?

I call this "Missiles, Missiles ^*@(ing Everywhere":

Tempest + Title + FCS + Cluster Missiles x 4

It has the potential to roll 24 modified red dice in a single round. It might be the first squad were you don't want to focus fire. If you have 4 enemy targets, attack each with the Alpha, then mop up whatever is left.

How are you getting 24 modified dice? I'm only coming up with 12.

I guess you could get a Target Lock from FCS one turn, use your action to Focus the next, use the Target Lock to fire, modify the first attack with the Focus, and use the Target lock from FCS to modify your second attack.

I call this "Missiles, Missiles ^*@(ing Everywhere":

Tempest + Title + FCS + Cluster Missiles x 4

It has the potential to roll 24 modified red dice in a single round. It might be the first squad were you don't want to focus fire. If you have 4 enemy targets, attack each with the Alpha, then mop up whatever is left.

How are you getting 24 modified dice? I'm only coming up with 12.

I guess you could get a Target Lock from FCS one turn, use your action to Focus the next, use the Target Lock to fire, modify the first attack with the Focus, and use the Target lock from FCS to modify your second attack.

Colonel Vessery — TIE Defender 35

Veteran Instincts 1

Darth Vader — TIE Advanced 29

Predator 3

Advanced Targeting Computer 1

TIE/x1 0

Maarek Stele — TIE Advanced 27

Predator 3

Advanced Targeting Computer 1

TIE/x1 0

Decent firepower and survivability combined with high ps.

I've run this list twice so far, and come out of both games with all ships almost untouched. It's similar to the 3 Amigos list from earlier in the thread, but I called it Imperial 9s.

Darth Vader

-Predator

-x1

-ATC

Soontir Fel

-PtL

-Royal Guard

-Autothrusters

-Hull Upgrade

Turr Phennir

-Vi

-Royal Guard

-Autothrusters

-Shield Upgrade

Darth Vader

TIE/x1, ATC

Carnor Jax

Autothrusters

Howlrunner

TIE Academy

TIE Academy

i couldn't find a way to get Soontir in there while also using Academy pilots.

Oh well.

How many would consider prockets on vader?

Vader with ATC has an effectively 6 dice attack if he can get range one with target lock and focus. Toss in predator for a re-roll....

I want so badly for ordnance to be worth it.

I think any three agl ship with a missile slot should consider prockets, I've seen it used very effectively on defenders before.

Tempest + ATC + hull upgrade x 4 is going to be a good list.

I like Maarek Stele, calculation, ATC, shield upgrade + tempest + ATC x 3 comes in at 99 points. Should be fun doing a couple crits of your choice with Maarek.

Personally I don't think there is a choice about what system to use, ATC just seems way better than anything else.

Tempest + ATC + hull upgrade x 4 is going to be a good list.

I like Maarek Stele, calculation, ATC, shield upgrade + tempest + ATC x 3 comes in at 99 points. Should be fun doing a couple crits of your choice with Maarek.

Personally I don't think there is a choice about what system to use, ATC just seems way better than anything else.

Accuracy Corrector is probably going to be a stronger choice on low PS pilots. Lower PS pilots are going to have issues consistently getting target locks on higher PS pilots.

How about:

Vader with Swarm Tactics and ATC

Howlrunner with Swarm Tactics

4 x Academy pilots.

Six ship tried and tested swarm with a solid flying formation and damage output. Re-rolls from Howlrunner help consistent rolls and the two swarm tactics mean you have two PS9 and two PS8 ships in the shooting phase.

Vader will need to turtle in this list as he will likely get focussed. If he doesn't, they will focus Howlrunner. Either way, you still get some decent shots off.

I'm itching to do Vader +ATC, EU, Procket, Predator. The other 60, eh. 5 TIEs? VT-49?

The other list is 4x Tempest with accuracy corrector and cluster missiles.

How about:

Vader with Swarm Tactics and ATC

Howlrunner with Swarm Tactics

4 x Academy pilots.

Six ship tried and tested swarm with a solid flying formation and damage output. Re-rolls from Howlrunner help consistent rolls and the two swarm tactics mean you have two PS9 and two PS8 ships in the shooting phase.

Vader will need to turtle in this list as he will likely get focussed. If he doesn't, they will focus Howlrunner. Either way, you still get some decent shots off.

It's a decent list that's not afraid of what it'll joust, unless it's a gimmick ultra-joust tanky squad. That list would have TEARED APART many things during wave 1.

Vader needs to be a part of a larger group. This way if your opponent decided to go after Vader first, the rest of your fleet will intervene and make them suffer for their lack of faith in their power.

Vader+Predator+Title+ATC+EU

3x Tempest+Title+AC

Predator can be replaced with Lone Wolf to bring the point total down to 99. This would make Vader a real bear in the end game, but personally I like the offense now rather than later.

For a little more firepower and PS:

Vader+Lone Wolf+Title+ATC+EU
Alozen+Predator+Title+ATC
Vessery

I like this list because of the way the points are spread out. There is no clear single threat. Vessery will probably be ignored and that is a mistake that will cost your opponent dearly.

Vader, predator (or outmaneuver), engine upgrade, advanced targeting computer (37)

Tempest, accuracy corrector (21)

Tempest, accuracy corrector (21)

Tempest, accuracy corrector (21)

Vader+Predator+Title+ATC+EU

3x Tempest+Title+AC

This is the list that I came up with (like everyone else) a while ago. I call it The Most Advanced List.

I call this "Missiles, Missiles ^*@(ing Everywhere":

Tempest + Title + FCS + Cluster Missiles x 4

It has the potential to roll 24 modified red dice in a single round. It might be the first squad were you don't want to focus fire. If you have 4 enemy targets, attack each with the Alpha, then mop up whatever is left.

How are you getting 24 modified dice? I'm only coming up with 12.

I guess you could get a Target Lock from FCS one turn, use your action to Focus the next, use the Target Lock to fire, modify the first attack with the Focus, and use the Target lock from FCS to modify your second attack.

Exactly. It will be hard to pull off, but against some lists, they won't be able to dodge you. Large based ships will fear the heck out of it. Fat Han will die. Decimators will die. Dash will die. IGs will die... etc.

Its like having 4 Corran double taps that you can use all at once.

I also like this very thematic Vader list:

Vader + Ruthlessness (or Predator) + Title + ATC + EU

BSP + Calculation X 2

BSP + DTF

Mauler Mithel + VI

You can either run Vader in the formation or out on the flank. It would probably depend on what you are up against. Mauler might draw the initial hate which is fine keep Vader alive or if they go after Vader, they have Mauler to worry about. Hopefully you can get shields done so the BSP's can throw in some Crits.