So just a general check, if i have a first E ability that i would like to play but not right away can i pass my "first enhance" chance and then take the first e as my second chance to play an e?

just asking cause i don't know if passing an enhance counts as playing.

2.9.2.5 Played abilities designated as “First E:” must be the first Enhance played by
that player during the current Enhance Step. (See 8.3.1 The Enhance Step.)
2.9.2.5.1 If you have played or activated another Enhance before the First
Enhance then you may no longer play the ability preceded by
“First”.

Just has to be the first enahnce YOU play.

Does not have to be the first enhance of that attack.

You can pass.

Opponent plays enhance.

Then you can play a First Enhance.

8.3.1.9.2 Each player is entitled to play a First E: during the Enhance Step.
8.3.1.9.3 Passing, and choosing not to play an Enhance, is not the same as
playing an Enhance. A player who passes and does not play any
Enhance may still choose to play a First E: if it is that player’s
first Enhance of the Enhance Step.

Look at Mr. Fancy pants with his numbers and rules

Wait...do you even wear pants?

Seriously though thanks for the actual AGR section.

With that logic...If I was playing Morrigan 3, could I copy a first form like Dancing Battle Kabuki?

While the logic is appealing, the AGR says no:

2.9.1.4 Played abilities designated as “First F:” must be the first Form played in that player’s Combat Phase.

aslum said:

AGR says yes IMO.

Play it as if printed on your character. If it was a first F, since it is your opponents turn, i assume you have not played a form yet this combat phase...

imo should work, same as banned chunners could play a First F.

Smazzurco said:

...except the only thing she couldn't do was play Actions, and she had to play a card from her hand, so I don't see how she could play a First F:.

More accurately, the old promo R.Mika could play a First F: using her response.

Tagrineth said:

Touche. I never played chunners.

The original question was morrigan (which i did check card text before posting). To clarify, Morrigan COULD copy a first F correct?

Sure, long as she hasn't played any other Forms that turn.

Tagrineth said:

That would be amazing to play a Form during your opponents turn before they play a First Form...sounds more broken than 9dot chunners.

It would be equally amazing to R with morrigan during your turn to your opponent playing a first F.

It would be even more amazing if i ever was able to not call it "Dancing Battler Kabuki"....battler just sounds more epic.

aslum said:

You can suggest to Antigoth to revise the AGR, but currently it says you can play a first form during your combat phase. During you're opponent's turn it's not your combat phase.

It's not like w/ Maternal Instincts where playing it on your opponent's turn is awesome because ending your combat phase during your opponent's combat phase is meaningless.

Just another Morrigan question while we're at it. I'm under the impression that she may not play any forms where the requirement is destroying it such as Buddhist Devotion, correct?

KawaiiMistress said:

That could be taken either way IMO and here is why:

Morrigan states "After ...., pay that ability's cost and immediately play that ability as though it were printed on this character."

Now, say you were copying First F of buddhist devotion. Since character cards cannot be destroyed you cannot destroy morrigan to "pay" the cost.

However, Morrigan's wording is "pay the cost and immediately play" not " ... and then ....", this, by following the AGR, implies that they exist independantly. Since "paying the cost" at this point is part of the effect of morrigan's R and not really a true 'cost' the should be able to exist independantly.

I could see it being ruled to "not work" with things that destroy themselves (since you cannot pay the cost) but if being a rules stickler it seems like you could get around the sacrificing...

IF it works how i said, could Morrigan Mirror match keep "reacting" to eachother once one of them plays a form? She is technically playing an R, but that R has here "play that ability" which implies she (as part of the R's effect) is playing a F.

You made my head hurt, i hope you are happy. Im going to lunch, peace

I think you just made me more confused than I already was... I would be very surprised if it was ruled that I could play destruction abilities like that simply because from reading the card it says "pay the cost" and obviously I can't pay for it.

Waiting on someone to stamp this...

Well there is a ruling difference between "Do this and that" and "Do this and then do that".

The first one means you do them both no matter what.

The second one means if the first was performed successfully, then do the second.

If morrigan read "pay that ability's cost and THEN immediately play..." it would be cut and dry.

However since she reads "pay that ability's cost and immediately play...", and since the rules of "and" exist, it implies that playing the ability is independant of paying the cost.

I highly doubt it works that way. But if it does then i finally get why people like morrigan, lol. (besides the obvious

KawaiiMistress said:

Just to make things simple - Correct.