Maybe you're getting the new Canon policy confused with the old canon tiers system? That's not in force any more- there is no more G-Canon, C-Canon, etc. There's just Canon and Legends, which isn't Canon, though elements of it has made it's way into the new Canon. Also, that's got nothing to do with anything FFG does as far as I know.

Nope. No confusion - that's what I said. There is canon and there is legends. Some things come from Legends but have also made their way into Canon. But that does not mean something in Legends is Canon. It is or it isn't.

Some of what we see on page 418 conflicts with what we saw in Season 1 Rebels without some handwaving:

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We see stormtroopers in Rebels season 1 doing all of the above even before it becomes apparent the Empire is facing some rebels with a Jedi. It would have been more in sync with FFG/WEG's stance if we at least saw a glimpse of some Army Troopers before the rare, elite stormtroopers arrived due to discovery of a rebel cell and a Jedi.

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ETA: AoR doesn't have "Disney" stamped on the back of it, but more recent books do. It apparently slipped through right before the new Disney group would have pondered over its contradictions to canon? I wonder what would have happened with the text in the quotes above if the canon evaluation group would have read it and compared it to what was written into Rebels?

I was editing my own post whilst you were posting. I play EotE though I bought AoR, so that had slipped past me. I agree with what you wrote (save wanting to have seen them on screen as I like the stormtroopers as is). I think you can make Rebels fit with what FFG have done, though I agree it seems contradictory and clearly wasn't intended to fit.

Looks like a bit of a cock-up, imo, but I guess that settles whether they exist in the RPG or not.

That's my whole point, it's not a "cock-up" because the RPGs were never intended to be true to Canon in the first place.

When the Rebels show came out, I was keen to see if we would see regular Imperial army troops more feaquently than Stormtroopers. Obviously this is not the case. However, as it is strongly hinted that Lothal is an important planet in the construction of the Death Star (the season 2 premiere brings this up again) the presence of all the Stormtroopers and no regular imperial army troops could be explained in that context. We may yet still yet see the "imperial army" in later episodes (hum...I should ask Dave Filoni about this). I am more concerned with de-elitification of the Stormtroopers in the series. One thing to note, as shown in the Season 2 trailer, it appears the former clone troopers don't think too highly of the Stormtroopers.

I can't believe that so much of this thread came from thinking that the Imperial Army wasn't a part of FFG's Star Wars lines.

I can't believe that so much of this thread came from thinking that the Imperial Army wasn't a part of FFG's Star Wars lines.

It was noted the Imperial Army was in AoR on Post #10. We are on post #130. ONE participant missed this.

OK, one poster, but he was contributing pretty heavily to the conversation. Shows what can happen when a key post is overlooked. I see this in formal research from time to time when someone (intentionally or accidentally) skips over something that is right at the heart of the issue.

OK, one poster, but he was contributing pretty heavily to the conversation. Shows what can happen when a key post is overlooked. I see this in formal research from time to time when someone (intentionally or accidentally) skips over something that is right at the heart of the issue.

Right here, people!

And your summation is wildly wrong, HappyDaze. The huge majority of what I wrote here is about the presence of non-Stormtrooper infantry in canon sources - or rather their lack of presence. And the reasons why you would have only an elite force. It didn't come from FFG's game.

I didn't notice that entry in the AoR rulebook. So it's now officially part of FFG's game. That doesn't change most of what I wrote. So no, it's not as if this huge thread, or even my posts, result from having my not noticed that. Most of it remains the same. It also, unfortunately, creates a situation where the AoR rule-book jars with all the official media so I'm with Sturn in thinking that this is a cock-up that slipped through whilst the canon line was being drawn.

Page 369 of the Edge of the Empire Core Rulebook talks about both the Imperial Army and the Stormtrooper Corps. The position of FFG was made with that product and only reinforced by AoR.

Page 369 of the Edge of the Empire Core Rulebook talks about both the Imperial Army and the Stormtrooper Corps. The position of FFG was made with that product and only reinforced by AoR.

Doesn't call out infantry but anyway, you seem on some mission to emphasize that the books have referenced a separate army yet skip over the basic point which is that pretty much nothing I wrote is based around whether FFG put references to it in their books or not. You have made a contention that this thread is "what happens when a key post is overlooked" but it isn't. And you're still seemingly trying to prove that it is for the love of Being Right as far as I can see.

Imperial Army Trooper (Minion), AoR, pg 418 states that it is infantry.

Can we please let this thread go?

Imperial Army Trooper (Minion), AoR, pg 418 states that it is infantry.

Can we please let this thread go?

You're still visiting here because it's fun. Admit it.

Flip that book over and look on the back for the Disney logo. See, we can still debate it.

ETA: Before someone replies, "But the game you are playing says it should be this way!", the term House Rule has been around in RPG's for quite a long time. As has been said repeatedly above, it's completely up to you what you put in your Star Wars RPG universe. And it's still fun discussing the pros & cons and debating the reasons. Post #10 reported that Imperial Army Troopers existed in FFG. We've gotten quite a bit of mileage since then. Repeating what was already known shouldn't kill the thread. Running out of things people are interested in discussing should.

Imperial Army Trooper (Minion), AoR, pg 418 states that it is infantry.

Can we please let this thread go?

You're still visiting here because it's fun. Admit it.

Flip that book over and look on the back for the Disney logo. See, we can still debate it.

ETA: Before someone replies, "But the game you are playing says it should be this way!", the term House Rule has been around in RPG's for quite a long time. As has been said repeatedly above, it's completely up to you what you put in your Star Wars RPG universe. And it's still fun discussing the pros & cons and debating the reasons. Post #10 reported that Imperial Army Troopers existed in FFG. We've gotten quite a bit of mileage since then. Repeating what was already known shouldn't kill the thread. Running out of things people are interested in discussing should.

Absolutely, and inside the front cover of the FFG books it has the Lucasbooks logo making FFG canon.

*stomps foot for emphasis* LOL

See you're still here!

And, RIP for the Lucasbooks non-Disney canon.

And, RIP for the Lucasbooks non-Disney canon.

May the force be with you. Well maybe not cause George cut you off.

Sturn you pulled me back in. LOL

Welp, every book has a note about 'What is Canon' in it too, so that is up to the GM and the group what they want to use.

Me, i like to use the Stormtroopers as the Elite as they are called and seen in the OT (they kill everything that has no plot-armor).

So for more diversity in enemies, a lower threat level for the PCs and such i use Army troopers a-plenty.

When the white-hats show up my PCs know that **** got real.

More diversity is fun, after all we enjoy all those different ships, aliens and gadgets not seen in the movies, so why stop there?

See, I prefer stormtroopers to be of varying skill, but all looking alike, as in the armour. Does that shipment you want to hijack have local conscripts or elite troopers guarding it? Makes the characters pause.

There are vehicle crews, as seen on Rebels, that you can use the army trooper stats for. Foot soldiers are stormtroopers.

That is how I do it. As I've said, I've never used "army troopers" as grunts for the players to gun down. Most people I play with watch Star Wars and enjoy it, but they don't delve into the non movie media. They want to shoot the bad guys they see in the movies - stormtroopers.

Stormtroopers are supposed to be the elite shock troops of the Imperial Military. If there isn't a seperate Imperial Army, what on Earth would their elite status be in comparison to? I think WEG made the right call and FFG is right to follow them. Even if someone says that they weren't on-screen, which I'm not convinced of that, logic and common sense would dictate that there is something other than bucketheads.

Stormtroopers are supposed to be the elite shock troops of the Imperial Military. If there isn't a seperate Imperial Army, what on Earth would their elite status be in comparison to? I think WEG made the right call and FFG is right to follow them. Even if someone says that they weren't on-screen, which I'm not convinced of that, logic and common sense would dictate that there is something other than bucketheads.

This is a non-issue, the army infantry is in AoR.

On 4/16/2015 at 2:45 PM, GrimmSqueeker said:

So the Mouse has weighed in. I can't decide if the solution is elegant, lazy, or indifferent, but it does a decent job regardless.

The House of Mouse has indeed spoken, and a lot has happened since this thread was hotly debated in 2015.

We have had additional movies, new books/comics, additional FFG SW RPG material and other developments.

I think if we where to answer the OP's questions that started this thread, a lot of pages of postings would be different.

(I have found this whole topic of Imperial Army, Imperial Police, Customs Agents and Stormtroopers very instructive.)

On 3/29/2015 at 6:42 AM, RodianClone said:

On a similar note, how does local law and police officers look? I know this may vary a lot(!) from world to world, but are there any good, known examples?

I am going to use Tatooine and would like to know how police might look there.

On a place like Nar Shaddaa, another place I will use, I guess all forms of security is privatized.

Just my opinion and observation but here's my take. ( I did not read all the replies on this thread so I apologize if someone already gave a more acceptable explanation)

The Empire is a massive military force and control parts of the Galaxy through brute force and intimidation. The Empire seems pretty content with simply approaching a world, defeating its military and overthrowing or re-organizing their Government so that it remains either too loyal, too afraid or simply too weak to fight back. The Empire then occupies the sector while its resources, either natural or materiel are consumed by the Empire. With so many systems under Imperial military occupation, I don't imagine that the Emperor has the manpower or interest in providing a civilian police force for every sector under Imperial occupation or subjugation.

That said, its reasonable to assume that the police force for any given world would be comprised of its native inhabitants or remnants of its original local Government. Corellian Police for example, are just regular Corellian people, not Imperial military but supervised by Imperial officers and liasons. Coruscants police are likely more closely linked to the Imperial Navy but probably just because its the Empires core world.

I doubt tattooine has any effective Government at all since its such a hot spot for criminals and gangsters so its hard to imagine Cops wandering around. the hutts probably prefer mercenaries, private security and such for dealing with civilian law enforcement.

I think about it like this, if the Empire decided to control Earth, they would move in, annihilate our military, control and subjugate our governments and people and simply maintain a strong Military presence until they consumed achieved whatever military strategic placement they imagined or consumed whatever resource they desired and were content to leave. the manpower and training to employ a non military police force in addition to the resources required to subjugate the world would be too high a cost and once they defeat any threats and controlled the various indigenous Governments, it would be easy enough to just have the local police continue their duties under the Imperial law now enforced by their own governments.