I went to an event today, I brought a solid B list. 35 point soontir, a delta Defender with ion cannon, and a Delta Defender with flechette cannon. Everyone except me and 2-3 others brought Phantom Decimator. Neat, autolost right from the get go. Probably about 10 people overall.

First match faced Phantom Deci. Lost. Probably could have played a bit better and killed the phantom earlier, but eh.

So I pummeled a new guy that was handed a Phantom Decimator list, he also forgot actions incessantly so that helped. 100 - 0.

Last match was phantom deci. Lost.

So yep, nothing but feedback array awarm it is. Made the assumption that I wouldn't be facing all A+ lists, so I autolost in the listbuilding phase. Decimator with Gunner and Predator and the Rear Adirmal is always getting at least 3 hits. That combined with the Phantom means I have Soontir, and then 2 ships that are about as easy to kill as a TIE Fighter.

April 15th please dear god. If anything it's worse now because everyone is trying Phantom before the nerf.

stop saying you auto-lost. Its not about your list. It's about you

If you are in fact auto-losing rather than having a really hard time, you must truly be a terrible player.

If you are in fact auto-losing rather than having a really hard time, you must truly be a terrible player.

Auto-losing, having a real hard time, same thing. It's a little bit of hyperbole.

stop saying you auto-lost. Its not about your list. It's about you

1.) I could fly 5 generic HWKs and 5 Flight Instructors and complain about autolosing with it and and people would still tell me, "Nothing in this game is an autolose, you just have to play better."

2.) Otherwise, I agree. My fault for not flying a hard counter power list and winning in the list bulilding phase.

If you are in fact auto-losing rather than having a really hard time, you must truly be a terrible player.

Auto-losing, having a real hard time, same thing. It's a little bit of hyperbole.

stop saying you auto-lost. Its not about your list. It's about you

1.) I could fly 5 generic HWKs and 5 Flight Instructors and complain about autolosing with it and and people would still tell me, "Nothing in this game is an autolose, you just have to play better."

2.) Otherwise, I agree. My fault for not flying a hard counter power list and winning in the list bulilding phase.

Well the point is to have fun. If your not having fun from the get-go, yes you "auto-lost" whatever that means

V.I Xizor w/FCS and thrusters could add some much needed variety to your feedback mini-swarm

I feel you. Every time I sit my super dash variants down my play group moans and groans like rolling thunder that I'm playing broken BS dash and good whatever. They play whisper/chirneau and win ...

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FIFTEEN GAMES STRAIGHT! Yeah you can auto lose in list build these days. It's why people claim there's a Rock-paper-scissors format.

.. how actually good is that squad? I feel like its not as good as people think.

The list you wrote is actually a good list... Your play style, that is the issue, but I already knew this from how you comment on almost all the other threads.

I can't think of one single, constructive, UN snide thing to say to a post with this attitude, so I'm just going to link this here.

http://www.sirlin.net/ptw

The list you wrote is actually a good list...

Eh, I'm not sure. If he was expecting Decimators and Old Phantoms the TIE defender isn't the best choice because it's not very good against them, especially with that kit. Flechette Cannon especially is a pretty naff cannon (hence being only two points). It has its place (pair it with Tactician) but beyond that is somewhat lacking. Ion again, not likely to punch through the defences.

If you're set on the Defender I would have gone with Jonus and Heavy Laser Cannon Defenders. HLCs have the firepower to punch through cloaks. Otherwise I think the current environment's a poor matchup for the bigger of the two tri-wings.

Auto-losing, having a real hard time, same thing. It's a little bit of hyperbole.

Autoloss it when it's impossible to win, such as fighting a Fat Falcon with one A-wing without initiative (which can't punch through its damage mitigation). You can stack the odds against you as high as you like, it won't be an auto loss until you get to 100%.

I can't think of one single, constructive, UN snide thing to say to a post with this attitude, so I'm just going to link this here.

http://www.sirlin.net/ptw

That thing is pretty much "if you don't abuse bugs and exploits you're scum". It's a shame it's online because otherwise I could ram a kitchen knife into that ********'s "bible". By that philosophy every single thing you won't get caught for you are duty bound to do.

But sure, if you want to "play to win" by that definition then by all means, I'll concede every match before it starts. There. Enjoy your "victory."

Me? I play to play.

I call them Banana Zappers.

Made the assumption that I wouldn't be facing all A+ lists

If you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.

Even though you planned on fielding (in your opinion) a sub-par list, you should still have your strategies planned in the case of A+ lists. I've seen people rip "netlists" apart using nothing but generics, simply because they were ready for them.

I was really hoping the Phantom change would make you a little less of a one-note orchestra. Who knows what else that kind of energy and attention could accomplish?

But here you are, playing the same old song.

So I pummeled a new guy that was handed a Phantom Decimator list, he also forgot actions incessantly so that helped. 100 - 0.

Oh, so some poor new player doesn't know how to fly your worst enemy and can't even remember basic parts of the game from turn to turn, so rather than help a guy out and welcome him into the community you stomp him into the ground out of some vendetta?

You disgust me.

Fly casual everyone else.

I call them Banana Zappers.

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feedback array!

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your soontir's dead!

Made the assumption that I wouldn't be facing all A+ lists

If you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.

Even though you planned on fielding (in your opinion) a sub-par list, you should still have your strategies planned in the case of A+ lists. I've seen people rip "netlists" apart using nothing but generics, simply because they were ready for them.

Generics are consistently underrated. Whenever I bring my lists, people think they've already won, because my highest pilot skill is 4. As long as you've got a plan, you can win with almost anything.

Made the assumption that I wouldn't be facing all A+ lists

If you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.

Even though you planned on fielding (in your opinion) a sub-par list, you should still have your strategies planned in the case of A+ lists. I've seen people rip "netlists" apart using nothing but generics, simply because they were ready for them.

Generics are consistently underrated. Whenever I bring my lists, people think they've already won, because my highest pilot skill is 4. As long as you've got a plan, you can win with almost anything.

yar

we've often joked that the mini-swarm in a whisper + mini-swarm did all the work while whisper just rode on their coat-tails

ditto fat Han's talas if you're running low agility

ObiWonka summed up my thoughts perfectly.

I'd say you're auto-losing, alright, but auto-losing by going into the game with a "ZOMG if I see a Phantom I'm gonna be miserable and hate whoever's flying it and not have a good time and then whine on the forums" attitude. That's what makes you lose all those games -- and, yes, you also lost that game where you hammered a helpless newbie for your 100-0 'win,' just because you didn't like their list -- more than anything else.

You've got a really terrible, one-note, attitude. That's on you, not Phantoms.

I can't think of one single, constructive, UN snide thing to say to a post with this attitude, so I'm just going to link this here.

http://www.sirlin.net/ptw

That thing is pretty much "if you don't abuse bugs and exploits you're scum". It's a shame it's online because otherwise I could ram a kitchen knife into that ********'s "bible". By that philosophy every single thing you won't get caught for you are duty bound to do.

But sure, if you want to "play to win" by that definition then by all means, I'll concede every match before it starts. There. Enjoy your "victory."

Me? I play to play.

I think you should read it again, or maybe just read it. You don't seem to have gotten the message. What it means is don't limit yourself. I play to win, and I play for fun, they are not mutually exclusive. If I win I want to know the other guy played their best, if I lose I want to learn from what beat me. It's not about cheating subtally, it's about learning the game and playing your best.

As they say in professional sports, any team can look good "on paper, but that's why the games are played."

There's luck, statistical variance, strategy, and tactics that come into play apart from the squad build. But if you just want to lay down your bat and hand the pennant to the Yankees for spending the most money every year, that's on you.

u make me sad dood.

there are no S rank lists or how u put them in Tiers.

the list is as good as the one that flies it. try not to fly of board if u think its an auto lose

Edit: i won yesterday the store championship here with my

4 Academy

Howlrunner + Swarm tactics

Soontir Fel + Autothrusters + PTL the autos helped against 2 turret builds and we had tons of em

5 games played with 10 players com,peting in the store champion ship usually we have up to 15-17 players. this even number was something relaxing so no free wins etc

i had 4 wins and 1 draw against 2 ig-2000 list the draw was amazing i had the last shoot on him but his dead man switch managed to get my last academy and soontir so it was a 100-100 draw match. man u must have seen the people watching our game like it was the finals from worlds. the intensity sweating hands and then this awesome finish. u know. i kinda gave up from the very beginning against em in my mind against the double IG cause they had this mangler and then in range 1 autoblaster thing combined with this autocorrector so in range 1 auto 2 hits i cant cancel against ships that have 3 hp yays but i still played the match . my tactic was to focus down 1 IG then go to his partner it kinda worked

both IG did cost 50 points each it was the B and C combination with autoblaster, mangler cannon and auto corrector for both of em and the ig-2000 title for sure and both had dead man switch not to forget that either

To be fair you yourself even rated your list as a b list and wanted it to compete like an A list?

For one, if you want your soontir to beat other soontir and whispers you have to move last. You're at 100 points and good lists with an elite arc dodger have to bid for initiative.

I assume you really like defenders so that's why you took them and kitted them out with the cannons. You should have dropped the cannons and I think you're list would have been way better. You'd have a 5 point initiative bid which prolly wins 98% of the time. Then you see the other guys list. If his decimator has Vader you send the defenders after him and leave sooner as far away as possible. The defenders, with some decent dice rolls could kill the decimator or pretty close.

If the deci doesn't have Vader then drop it as quickly as possible. Fel, moving last should then be able to handle whisper most of the time.

You didn't auto lose to the match ups, decivader is your worst match up, you countered your lists biggest strength in the list building phase by being at 100 points. You can't run soontir or whisper competitively at 100 points you NEED to move last.

stop saying you auto-lost. Its not about your list. It's about you

Amen!