I don't see why that should matter. Canon is a silly reason not to borrow from a source if the material is good enough.

Especially since so many ships in the game are Legends already.

Juno Eclipse already opened "The Force Unleashed" door. I would not discard the rogue shadow so quickly...

Honestly, I really want to see CLOAKED BOMBERS: Stealth Bombers. Wouldn't that be COOL?

It fixes all of the ordnance problems too: Faster engage for TL acquiring. Unpredictable angles of launch. Bombers have much more mobility.

Imagine decloaking, blocking under the new rules and then dropping a fat bomb on someone.

!!

The chances of seeing a large based cloaking ship like the Rogue Shadow, or the Sith Infiltrator (Scimitar) are now almost zero, given how much better they would be blocking. The Phantoms are going to be bad enough.

True, they'd be great blockers. But look at it this way: with the old rules, it would be extremely easy to block decloak lanes, and you'd have a large base ship that couldn't ever attack. It would be worse than Dash's HLC donut hole, in my opinion.

ACD is a Phantom only upgrade. Other cloaking ships probably wouldn't be able to cloak for free.

Interestingly, Stygium Particle Accelerator is not.

I'm not saying this is a signal that there are more cloaking ships to come, just that FFG left themselves some room for customization if they do decide to release another one.

From the very beginning, the Advanced Cloaking Device was a way for FFG to make the Phantom's specific cloak, Phantom-specific, while allowing the Cloak action to be universal. I wouldn't be surprised if we were getting another cloaked ship soon. I'd guess it would be on Scum though, just because that feels like the underhanded thing Scum and Villainy would do. But then, I don't know enough about the Expanded Universe to know what options that might leave open.

It's obvious that this will be the next ship with Cloak:

Cloaking seems to have opened up a bottle of whine that really needs to be corked back up. Because of this, I hope the Phantom is the last cloaked ship we'll see.

The problem was in fact super mobility plus 4 Attack dice plus Advanced cloaking device. And since the later is Phantom only i see no problem in another cloak ship.

ACD is a Phantom only upgrade. Other cloaking ships probably wouldn't be able to cloak for free.

Interestingly, Stygium Particle Accelerator is not.

I'm not saying this is a signal that there are more cloaking ships to come, just that FFG left themselves some room for customization if they do decide to release another one.

makes sense

ACD is absolutely essential for phantoms to see play in a game that feature 360 "arcs" of stupidity. When you invalidate the entire point of a ship (maneuvering), you have to come up with some quick fixes really **** quickly (ACD for character phantoms to get four agility generally with focus, auto-thrusters for interceptors)

if we get another cloaking ship, it's going to have to be pretty beefy to survive without ACD (unless it has a native boost action, but that would be ridiculous) and a beefy statline + 2 agility from ACD would be stupid broken

ACD is a Phantom only upgrade. Other cloaking ships probably wouldn't be able to cloak for free.

Interestingly, Stygium Particle Accelerator is not.

I'm not saying this is a signal that there are more cloaking ships to come, just that FFG left themselves some room for customization if they do decide to release another one.

The way ADC is worded, it triggers off the equipped ship performing an attack. Since all ships but 1 have an attack, making this upgrade universal would let every ship cloak, regardless of what's on its action bar.

You could have put it on Soontir Fel and still had room for a Stealth Device.

Go ahead and have that nightmare for a moment.

More shenanigans involve Wedge or Wes or Luke with an ADC. I admit to being tickled by the notion of a cloaking Dash.

Cloaking Rebel Operative would still be useless, but also hilarious.

SPA can be equipped by anyone, because the trigger for using it requires the ability to either cloak or decloak- a set of conditions which FFG has only assigned to the Phantom so far.

The fact that future cloaking ships would be limited to the SPA upgrade is a very nice bonus, I'll grant.

About a month before Scum released I somehow convinced myself that I remembered shooting down cloaked Star Vipers in Shadows of the Empire (N64). Around the same time I saw an (ultimately incorrect) components listing for the Star Viper expansion that included a cloak token in the materials, and started to think that the Star Viper might be the second cloakable ship.

I guess I must have imagined the first thing completely, otherwise I'm sure it would have been discussed multiple times already. If I could figure out how to connect an N64 to an LED TV I would have confirmed it for myself...

ACD is a Phantom only upgrade. Other cloaking ships probably wouldn't be able to cloak for free.

Interestingly, Stygium Particle Accelerator is not.

I'm not saying this is a signal that there are more cloaking ships to come, just that FFG left themselves some room for customization if they do decide to release another one.

The way ADC is worded, it triggers off the equipped ship performing an attack. Since all ships but 1 have an attack, making this upgrade universal would let every ship cloak, regardless of what's on its action bar.

You could have put it on Soontir Fel and still had room for a Stealth Device.

Go ahead and have that nightmare for a moment.

More shenanigans involve Wedge or Wes or Luke with an ADC. I admit to being tickled by the notion of a cloaking Dash.

Cloaking Rebel Operative would still be useless, but also hilarious.

SPA can be equipped by anyone, because the trigger for using it requires the ability to either cloak or decloak- a set of conditions which FFG has only assigned to the Phantom so far.

The fact that future cloaking ships would be limited to the SPA upgrade is a very nice bonus, I'll grant.

They could have just done for ACD what they did with Autothrusters. If FFG weren't so shy about errata, they could just make the change now.

They could have just done for ACD what they did with Autothrusters.

What are you talking about? They haven't done anything to autothrusters except make it.

What are you talking about? They haven't done anything to autothrusters except make it.

I'm talking about the text on the card. ACD can only be equipped to a Phantom, whereas Autothrusters can only be equipped to a ship with the boost action. My point was that if FFG wanted to, they could have tied ACD to the cloak action rather than the ship. They still can.

So you want ACD to be available to any cloak capable ships they produce in the future?

I only said it was a possibility.

Obviously the tech (meaning the cloak action and the Stygium Accelerator) is there for FFG to pick up and run with if they want; that's smart design.

Whether or not they want to is a different story, though, and I don't think this week's change is any indication that it will happen: the article that accompanied it made it clear that the change was aimed at reducing the power of Phantoms.

Obviously the tech (meaning the cloak action and the Stygium Accelerator) is there for FFG to pick up and run with if they want; that's smart design.Whether or not they want to is a different story, though, and I don't think this week's change is any indication that it will happen: the article that accompanied it made it clear that the change was aimed at reducing the power of Phantoms.

The other part, I think, would be designing a ship with a cloak action that feels as different from the Phantom as the YT-1300 feels from the YT-2400.

Hm. Now that I've thought about it a bit, a cloaking ship with 1 or 2 attack (Maybe 0!)- but some really good ordnance. Like, really good, though. And would need some sort of reaming skill. I don't know how to make all that, but done right would play very differently. 2 different flavors of similar gimmick ship would be very fun to see.

I'm talking about the text on the card. ACD can only be equipped to a Phantom, whereas Autothrusters can only be equipped to a ship with the boost action. My point was that if FFG wanted to, they could have tied ACD to the cloak action rather than the ship. They still can.

They did it this way for a very specific reason. The TIE Phantom had a special cloak above and beyond any other cloak. It's one of the reasons why it was so crucial for the Rebels to shut down the project as soon as possible. It wasn't so much about the Phantom themselves, but the war-ending tech that was being developed for them to use. It was only ever used on the Phantoms and their construction facility before it was destroyed.

ACD is a Phantom only upgrade. Other cloaking ships probably wouldn't be able to cloak for free.

Interestingly, Stygium Particle Accelerator is not.

I'm not saying this is a signal that there are more cloaking ships to come, just that FFG left themselves some room for customization if they do decide to release another one.

makes sense

ACD is absolutely essential for phantoms to see play in a game that feature 360 "arcs" of stupidity. When you invalidate the entire point of a ship (maneuvering), you have to come up with some quick fixes really **** quickly (ACD for character phantoms to get four agility generally with focus, auto-thrusters for interceptors)

if we get another cloaking ship, it's going to have to be pretty beefy to survive without ACD (unless it has a native boost action, but that would be ridiculous) and a beefy statline + 2 agility from ACD would be stupid broken

And even a ship with 2 agility but without the ACD and 5 HP would not be a bad option.

Cloak is in fact still very useful, even if used without an ACD. I have played 4 Sigmas or even 2 with Stygium plus a named. They were totally usable and a very good value for their points. Other ships could equally be played like hat i imagine.

All in all, i really agree to the change in cloak mechanics. And the community seems to do so as well because i have not seen a lot of whinethreads about it really. Speaks for our imperial fanboys for once!

My co-worker says stealth bombers...

This!!!

A big mechanic like cloak can't stay Imperial only forever right? Although rebels had the turret exclusive for I don't know how long.

A big mechanic like cloak can't stay Imperial only forever right? Although rebels had the turret exclusive for I don't know how long.

That really depends on the efficiency of those Bothan spies. They're looking for the Cloak blueprints, but it seems like the Emperor diverted them with those of the Second Death Star... talk about priorities...

I'm calling it. The Emperor grants the cloaking action to the ship he is equiped on!

Holy crap that would be insane! How would that even work for huge ships? How are you going to barrel roll? rofl!