One of the more interesting ideas I've run into is skill "floor", and skill "ceiling".

A skill floor is the most basic level of competence someone needs to have with a given unit to get use out of it.

A skill ceiling is a point at which no extra skill with a unit will get more utility out of that unit.

Fat Han is a great list because it has a tremendous width between its floor and ceiling. It really _is_ an easy list for noobs. But it is also a list that in the hands of a skilled player can do terrible things against all commers.

The Phantom changes just lifted the skill floor of that unit. It will still be an unholy terror in the habds of a good player, but it will require a good player to make use of the Phantom.

Autothrusters lowered the skill floor of Interceptors by making them a bit more survivable against turrets, and raised the skill ceiling of them by giving a range 3 bonus against everything else.

A lot of the arguments I'm seeing on the forums would benefit from thinking about the ceiling and floor ideas.

A lot of the arguments I'm seeing on the forums would benefit from thinking.

FTFY

imo, autothrusters didn't lower the skill floor of interceptors

I don't see how is skill at all a factor when there's nothing you can do against 360 "arc"s aside from pray to rngesus. If anything, there is now more skill required to position your non-soontir (and probably soontir too) interceptors out of arc of a turret in order to benefit from the upgrade (still better pray, though)

imo, autothrusters didn't lower the skill floor of interceptors

I don't see how is skill at all a factor when there's nothing you can do against 360 "arc"s aside from pray to rngesus. If anything, there is now more skill required to position your non-soontir (and probably soontir too) interceptors out of arc of a turret in order to benefit from the upgrade (still better pray, though)

"Making it playable" is technically lowering the player skill required, by making it humanly possible.

imo, autothrusters didn't lower the skill floor of interceptors

I don't see how is skill at all a factor when there's nothing you can do against 360 "arc"s aside from pray to rngesus. If anything, there is now more skill required to position your non-soontir (and probably soontir too) interceptors out of arc of a turret in order to benefit from the upgrade (still better pray, though)

"Making it playable" is technically lowering the player skill required, by making it humanly possible.

but you can't lower a floor if there's no floor to lower

imo, autothrusters didn't lower the skill floor of interceptors

I don't see how is skill at all a factor when there's nothing you can do against 360 "arc"s aside from pray to rngesus. If anything, there is now more skill required to position your non-soontir (and probably soontir too) interceptors out of arc of a turret in order to benefit from the upgrade (still better pray, though)

"Making it playable" is technically lowering the player skill required, by making it humanly possible.

but you can't lower a floor if there's no floor to lower

If it's bottomless, how did you fill it with water?

IT'S REALLY REALLY DEEP, OKAY?

I imagine some people managed to fly interceptors against turrets and not die horribly...

Probably. It's a big world out there, after all.

but you can't lower a floor if there's no floor to lower

When you have to look up to see the floor, it's called a ceiling.

imo, autothrusters didn't lower the skill floor of interceptors

I don't see how is skill at all a factor when there's nothing you can do against 360 "arc"s aside from pray to rngesus. If anything, there is now more skill required to position your non-soontir (and probably soontir too) interceptors out of arc of a turret in order to benefit from the upgrade (still better pray, though)

but you can't lower a floor if there's no floor to lower

When you have to look up to see the floor, it's called a ceiling.

but if you're under the house, then the ceiling is the floor...

woah

this is getting trippy

Alternatively, Interceptors are primarily flown by bats.

Alternatively, Interceptors are primarily flown by bats.

Well, they do dress in black, or sometimes in very, very dark gray.

Alternatively, Interceptors are primarily flown by bats.

Well, they do dress in black, or sometimes in very, very dark gray.

do they have parents?

I'm going have to go with NO!

I don't think we need to nitpick in a thread that's overall got a pretty straightforward (and reasonable) OP, do we?

A naked generic HWK-290 would have an unthinkably high skill floor. Like... mind-meltingly high. But what about its skill ceiling? Would it be exponentially higher than the skill floor or would the difference be negligible? Could it perhaps even be below the skill floor? Meaning that no matter how skilled you are (ceiling), you're never going to get any use out of one (floor)? Am I totally misunderstanding skill ceilings? Are naked Rebel Operatives and Spice Runners truly as bad as I think they are? Am I asking too many questions? Is the end of an episode of Dragonball Z? I guess I'll find out...

...Next time! On Dragonba-*shot*

Alternatively, Interceptors are primarily flown by bats.

Well, they do dress in black, or sometimes in very, very dark gray.

do they have parents?

I'm going have to go with NO!

Yes, they have parents. They were executed by the Empire to improve the child's training murdered by rebels or something. Dead parents still count.

I imagine some people managed to fly interceptors against turrets and not die horribly...

Probably. It's a big world out there, after all.

I routinely do it and win. Granted, I fly 5 of them as opposed to the 'elite 3'. Their mad offense destroys Han before he gets a chance to do too much.

Alternatively, Interceptors are primarily flown by bats.

Well, they do dress in black, or sometimes in very, very dark gray.

do they have parents?

I'm going have to go with NO!

Yes, they have parents. They were executed by the Empire to improve the child's training murdered by rebels or something. Dead parents still count.

I think this was all a joke from the LEGO movie. Batman says he only works in black ... or sometimes very dark grey. Then there is a song at the end of the move sung by Batman and the lyrics are, "Darkness! No parents!" So this was all just fun banter ... if you caught the joke.