Time to dust off those 8 ties.

So. Phantoms are now even MORE egrgiously expensive and much easier to kill and have tons of soft counters... is this really a good idea?

Also, not taking VI which is being hailed a list building boon still just makes these more expensive.

As everyone has vented their opinions, here is mine:

1. This is an awesome fix for the metagame. PS 4-8 might be back in the game.

2. For the Sigma and Shadow Phantoms it makes them better with the potential block and then move to get shots.

3. For echo and Whisper it is bad. They are still the same price and will be less arcdodgy which makes them even more of a high risk/high reward ship.

There have been a lot of level-headed comments, but I can't help but laugh at those who say "Finally, I can start playing again!". You, sirs, are your own undoing.

You miss understand the "I can start playing again" comments. It is not about being competitive, it is about having fun. And the phantom as it will be until the 15th was not fun to fly against.

You miss understand the "I can start playing again" comments. It is not about being competitive, it is about having fun. And the phantom as it will be until the 15th was not fun to fly against.

Well I can't argue against that since it's fairly subjective, I have fun playing X-wing all the time, regardless of squad composition.

I'm just going to throw this in ..

I don't like the term 'nerf'. Nerf blasters are the business. They are fun for all ages and .. the business. To associate something negative to nerf just seems wrong .. and anti-the business.

I propose a new term. "White Crayoned". Yes, a non-coloured crayon is now a verb. White crayons are useless .. they are filler. I apologise to all the hard core fans of the white crayon but it has no place in the 24 pack of Crayolas.

Let's start this new era by stating .. the Phantom just got White Crayoned.

Finally, I can start playing X wing again. Sanity has prevailed and a step to dealing with the most Broken ship in the game has been taken.

WOO HOO!!

What has been done to us?

Yeah - the Fat King still sits on his throne, laughing.

IG88's be damned.

Time during lunch...

May I just say, that after many many years of seeing that scene used in a similar fashion for many games I have played where something has been nerfed/changed (Oh my beloved World of Warcraft Druid)...this is simply the most epic version ever.

It also means I get to take heart from Hitlers wisdom, which is a sentence I felt sure I would never say in my lifetime.

We will adapt, things will go on.

FFG is not some monolithic organisation that remains aloof from its playerbase (Hi GW?). If this change removes Phantoms from the game then they will change it.

It will be interesting to see what they will do for the Falcon and c3po. If the Phantom needed looking at because of reasons, then surely Hans ride needs a tweek or two as well. They are/were both dominating the tourney scene, weren't they?

It is also worth pointing out that as soon as the Raider come out of hyperspace we will be drowning in a Vader and Soontir bromance destroying all before them. Whisper would have been sooooo 2014 then anyway. lol.

I'm disapointed because i came here to gorge on phantom player tears, but all i see is a reasonable and civilised discussion...

Excited about xwing again! Time to dust off the ships.

And Casey, great effort with the hitler video, one of the best i've seen in a while

Huh I always played phantoms like this, i thought the decloak action was before movement.

the change is this

before change you de-cloak when it came to your turn in the PS order after all the lower PS ships have moved. So for whisper...this was at PS 9 after almost all the ships have moved. Helped to make a better decision about witch direction you wanted to de-cloak.

now you can de-cloak at the very beginning of the activation phase...before anyone has moved. not even the academy pilots. so you have to guess where the enemy ships will be instead of re-positioning afterwards.

makes it a lot harder to stay out of arcs. if you predict well, the phantom will be just as deadly as it ever was. If you predict poorly, it will be dead.

I'm just going to throw this in ..

I don't like the term 'nerf'. Nerf blasters are the business. They are fun for all ages and .. the business. To associate something negative to nerf just seems wrong .. and anti-the business.

Yeah, the guns are fun, but have you tried herding them?

So. Phantoms are now even MORE egrgiously expensive and much easier to kill and have tons of soft counters... is this really a good idea?

I never really had a problem with the Phantom but, when I saw that some people were actually able to win a tournament with only Echo and Whsiper (86pts), I understood that there might be something wrong.

It does tame them in the arc-dodging part of the game. Tie Interceptors are now back as the king of maneuver, as it should be. Phantoms are still very deadly, but they will have to think a little now before putting the dial on the table, you know, the essence of the game, instead of just reacting to how his opponent laid his traps.

Time during lunch...

May I just say, that after many many years of seeing that scene used in a similar fashion for many games I have played where something has been nerfed/changed (Oh my beloved World of Warcraft Druid)...this is simply the most epic version ever.

It also means I get to take heart from Hitlers wisdom, which is a sentence I felt sure I would never say in my lifetime.

We will adapt, things will go on.

FFG is not some monolithic organisation that remains aloof from its playerbase (Hi GW?). If this change removes Phantoms from the game then they will change it.

It will be interesting to see what they will do for the Falcon and c3po. If the Phantom needed looking at because of reasons, then surely Hans ride needs a tweek or two as well. They are/were both dominating the tourney scene, weren't they?

It is also worth pointing out that as soon as the Raider come out of hyperspace we will be drowning in a Vader and Soontir bromance destroying all before them. Whisper would have been sooooo 2014 then anyway. lol.

Easy/lazy c3p0 fix: Disable guessing 0. The card would still be good on 2agility ships but no longer auto include on falcons.

Thematically it's great. Now decloaking is actually decloaking rather than Super Barrel Roll. When you plan your maneuvers, the phantom could be in any of three places, but it is in one of them, it isn''t always in the worst (or best for the phantom) possible position.

C-3PO is not in the same league as the Phantom, as far as balance issues are concerned. No one should hold his or her breath waiting for a fix, there.

Also, to all the people saying Fat Han is king again, a phantom nerf is the last thing Fat Han wanted.

Because a phantom nerf lets generics and mid PS thrive again. You know, more gun.

And the last thing Fat Falcon wants is more guns aimed at it.

I think one of the more interesting ramifications is that blocking a Phantom is much more likely to result in no re-cloaking. You can take away the action, and potentially prevent a shot that would trigger an ACD re-cloak. Previously, blocking was much harder, as was getting out of the way of all potential firing arcs. It's one more thing a Phantom player has to get right.

Phantom blocking is blocking the decloaks. That's impossible now. Now you've got to guess which way it'll decloak and which maneuver it'll take out of that decloak. I'd say it's harder.

Also, to all the people saying Fat Han is king again, a phantom nerf is the last thing Fat Han wanted.

Because a phantom nerf lets generics and mid PS thrive again. You know, more gun.

And the last thing Fat Falcon wants is more guns aimed at it.

Yeah. Han and Whisper aren't competing with each other as much as they're predator and prey. Han likes it when you tie 40-50% of your list up in a fragile ship that can't escape his guns, so a decrease is Phantoms probably also means a decrease in Fat Falcons in favor of more efficient lists.

so, This would possibly open up the EPT for something other than VI no? PtL after ACD for a barrel roll or evade. I wonder...

VI is still very useful, but only in the same way it is on other ships. VI is still an excellent choice but I don't feel it's autoinclude any more.

Yeah - the Fat King still sits on his throne, laughing.

IG88's be damned.

Swarms are now safer from Phantoms. Swarms kill Falcons.

C-3PO is not in the same league as the Phantom, as far as balance issues are concerned. No one should hold his or her breath waiting for a fix, there.

True, it is in a league of its own, far above the Phantom when on a Fat Falcon.

There's no variance or risk involved, unless you are flying and rolling, poorly (the attacks), that you'll ever need to guess more than 0.