music sounded like:
Tie Fighter Short Film (anime)
Ok im biased as im an imperial tie fighter pilot cos player but i thought it was a fun 7 minutes or so of clearly star wars goodness.
I dont see why people are so upset over a cartoon?
As for 'ties being too good'
well in the 'tie fighter' game its inspired by i'd regualry be able to take out multiple rebel ships in either a single tie fighter or a tie bomber (perhaps im just quite good at the game)
And in the board/minis game we all love it always seems in our games to be some nameless academy pilot who is the last ship on the board, thats always the ship that gets incredible rolls and takes out tons of ships while never getting hit. We even jokingly call any academy pilot left alive , against the odds taking out rebels with impunity when better ships have bitten the dust 'ensign jimmy' (i think in Wil Wheatons 'tabletop' the same thing happens in their game.. its the 'faceless' tie pilot who does really well
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But you know its a cartoon guys, lets not be mindlessly partisan about a made up universe.
Its just nice to see something done from the other sides perspective for once.
As a kid i used to love reading 'Sven Hassel' WWII novels because they were written from the perspective of a german infantry section. I'd grown up on a mind numbing diet of 'commando' and 'warlord' comics where the 'krauts' were defeated by a plucky ranger or royal marine who singlehandedly took out a nazi bunker complex... it was good to read something where the enemy were not totally incompetant morons.
Like others have said , if you *must* get het up about a cartoon then think of it fitting the narrative in that the imperials are *supposed* to be that good in the films, its actually laughable they often come across as incompetant.
Like kenobi says 'only stormtroopers are this precise' , then they fail to hit anything for three movies.
That sort of 'neutered' their fear level.
But on the flip side, when the six or so TIE fighters engage the falcon on the way back from the death star Leia notices they *let* the rebels escape and were not even trying to kill them, just trying to make it look like they were (sucks to be those pilots sacrificed and given orders to 'harass but not destroy the smugglers ship' though).
I think , and again we're giving too much weight to a fun cartoon, that the films show us *exceptional* rebel pilots whereas the majority are not as good as Imperial pilots and if they are they are empire trained.
Put it this way if the rebellion was able to pick and choose its 'trained' pilots they would not have given luke a chance to fly in the deathstar battle just because his mate says hes 'quite good'.
Essentially it would be like turning up at an air force base and saying 'can i fly a mission agianst ISIS in a warthog?, oh go on i've flown my dads microlight so your multibillion dollar plane will be fine with me. I know you dont know me or anything but my mate Dave saw me drop a rock on a goose while flying the microlight so he'll tell you i'm good'
( i realise they are probably not using A10s to engage ISIS but its just a refernce to an 'enemy' and an 'expensive plane')
yeah thats pretty much what Luke did...
The music is... it doesn't seem to fit. There's tons of fan made stuff that uses existing John Wiliams music. I'm wondering why he didn't use that.
Otherwise, I really liked it.
Rocking cool music is typical of the 80s sci-fi anime (e.g. Venus Wars, Odin) that the creator intended to emulate. I like it personally because it reminds me of those classics.
The music is... it doesn't seem to fit. There's tons of fan made stuff that uses existing John Wiliams music. I'm wondering why he didn't use that.
Otherwise, I really liked it.
Rocking cool music is typical of the 80s sci-fi anime (e.g. Venus Wars, Odin) that the creator intended to emulate. I like it personally because it reminds me of those classics.
Quoting for truth. While the music is quite far from Williams' pieces, just remember that it's kept in 80's anime convention and such music was pretty much mandatory in that genre. It's perfectly okay to prefer SW OST, but this is the right track for this particular animation.
The music is... it doesn't seem to fit. There's tons of fan made stuff that uses existing John Wiliams music. I'm wondering why he didn't use that.
Otherwise, I really liked it.
Rocking cool music is typical of the 80s sci-fi anime (e.g. Venus Wars, Odin) that the creator intended to emulate. I like it personally because it reminds me of those classics.
Yeah. I think a lot of people are missing the actual inspirations of the film; it's not just the Star Wars movies, even, it's a very specific piece of them (from the video game), and it's a lot of classic anime and stuff, too (camera angles copied from some, musical inspiration from another, etc, etc, etc).
I guess I was just a little too old to get swept up when anime became a thing because i found this rather dull. I just remember thinking "that's not how ion engines work" when we saw the cross section of the turbines.
I mentioned in one of the other threads that I wasn't a fan of the music. I stand by that. I understand what the intent was, I would have preferred if, while not using the actual score, the music was inspired by it.
Imagine a cross from the robotech theme and the imperial march.
Hoth was a long way from a curb stomp, Imperial losses in terms of man and hardwear were catastrophic for the amount of damage inflicted on the Alliance. The crippled ISD(s) alone represent a greater loss than all the Rebel casualties.
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Ive always been under the impression that the Star Destroyer was temporarily disabled for, at most, a couple of hours. Probably not even that long. Just long enough for them to reboot the major systems. I'm sur ethey lost a bunch of Snowtroopers and AT-STs, but the only remotely significant losses I can recall the empire taking at Hoth is the destruction of a total of 2 AT-ATs.
Of course, it is not clear why those 2 Starfighters didn't also have to fight though a cloud of TIE Fighters in addition to an ISD, and if Interdictors were really a thing that the Empire possessed, shouldn't the task force charged with hunting down and destroying organized resistance have had some to prevent the rebels from escaping? You know, since situations like Hoth are exactly what they are meant for.
Hmm what are these non-tie ships in there?
Hmm what are these non-tie ships in there?
Hmm what are these non-tie ships in there?
They're utility tugs. Support ships, with tractor beams. Resupply ships, in the video game.
Of course, it is not clear why those 2 Starfighters didn't also have to fight though a cloud of TIE Fighters in addition to an ISD, and if Interdictors were really a thing that the Empire possessed, shouldn't the task force charged with hunting down and destroying organized resistance have had some to prevent the rebels from escaping? You know, since situations like Hoth are exactly what they are meant for.
Very good point! Given what we know from the movies, interdictors need to either stay in the Legends material, or need to be a post-Galactic Civil War invention. Not only would it have solved the Hoth problem, but it could have kept the Falcon from leaving Bespin as well.
As far as this argument between Rebels and Imperials, I'll never say that Imperials are the good guys, but I do want to see them win more than we have in the past because it drives the tension of good guys vs. bad guys. If the Imperials never won, why would the Rebels be running and hiding from them? Clips such as this one are necessary to understand how desperate a situation the Rebels are really in.
Edited by BudgernautSimple explanation: Admiral Ozzel forgot to bring Immobilizers with him (because he's an idiot) and Vader wasn't really up on navy doctrine, being a fighter jockey as he was.
That being said, you really don't want to bring a gravity well projector into an asteroid field for obvious reasons.
Edited by GreatMazinkaiserSimple explanation: Admiral Ozzel forgot to bring Immobilizers with him (because he's an idiot) and Vader wasn't really up on navy doctrine, being a fighter jockey as he was.
That being said, you really don't want to bring a gravity well projector into an asteroid field for obvious reasons.
Asteroid fields do not concern me admiral.
Sometimes I'm like, "Wow, this is a really cool community."
Then there are times like now, where I'm just... I don't know, ashamed? Aghast?
It's just a little piece of art, enjoy it for what it is. Sure, the Imps come off looking cool but is that really the end of the world? The Imps are jerks, but it's fun to see both sides.
To the just flat out complainers: let's see your seven minute animated film. Then give us a day to pick it apart. Yeah, that's cool.
Ladies, gentlemen, fly casual. Or maybe grow the f up. Pick one and let's have fun, not be whiny little jerks.
Yeah, leave it to nerds to look a a project 1 person worked on for 4 years, creating a cool crossover from 2 things he adored. They show up doing the best Simpsons comic book nerd voice of "mmm, that's not canon"
Then the rest of us arguing it could be instead of just marveling at the sheer amount of work and love this guy put into the project. The YouTube video doesn't even have an ad infront of it for crying out loud, that's passing up a ton of revenue he could have earned on a video guaranteed to go viral.
It's so sad.
That being said, you really don't want to bring a gravity well projector into an asteroid field for obvious reasons.
OK, I can buy that explanation. The Hoth system had excessive meteor and asteroid activity (established by the film) and that would be dangerous to interdictors, so they couldn't be used, at least not around the whole system, creating potential escape corridors. This was probably a factor in why the rebels choose such an unremittingly hostile planet for a base.
That makes sufficient sense for me to be satisfied.
Ive always been under the impression that the Star Destroyer was temporarily disabled for, at most, a couple of hours. Probably not even that long. Just long enough for them to reboot the major systems. I'm sur ethey lost a bunch of Snowtroopers and AT-STs, but the only remotely significant losses I can recall the empire taking at Hoth is the destruction of a total of 2 AT-ATs.
Of course, it is not clear why those 2 Starfighters didn't also have to fight though a cloud of TIE Fighters in addition to an ISD, and if Interdictors were really a thing that the Empire possessed, shouldn't the task force charged with hunting down and destroying organized resistance have had some to prevent the rebels from escaping? You know, since situations like Hoth are exactly what they are meant for.
Not to mention the two that collided chasing escaping Rebel commanders.
Ok, I forgot about those. (and those pilots DESERVE to be choked to death, how incompetent can you get). I generally think of chasing the Falcon as after the Battle of Hoth, not part of it, but I suppose it really is a continuation of the battle.
Really though the blame for Hoth not being a significant blow to the Rebellion lies firmly on the shoulders of Admiral Ozzel. Had the Empire attacked with surprise even the force deployed would have been enough to wipe out Echo base.
This has always bugged me about the movie. What exactly should Ozzel have done differently? Come out of lightspeed 12 hours away from the planet and cruised in at sublight speed so that the rebels had even more time to spot them and begin evacuating?
Dropping out of lightspeed as close to the planet as possible and immediately launching an assault IS attacking with surprise. You can't get any faster or unexpected than that.
This has always bugged me about the movie. What exactly should Ozzel have done differently? Come out of lightspeed 12 hours away from the planet and cruised in at sublight speed so that the rebels had even more time to spot them and begin evacuating?
Dropping out of lightspeed as close to the planet as possible and immediately launching an assault IS attacking with surprise. You can't get any faster or unexpected than that.
From memory there is a conversation on Echo Base about the meteor activity making it hard to spot incoming ships (I want to say it involves General Rieekan, Han and Leia but my memory is far from perfect). Ozzel squandered that advantage and blew a true surprise attack because the energy of the ships exiting hyperspace was easily detected. Had he dropped out of Lightspeed outside the system and drifted in under EMCON the Imperial forces may well have been able to land undetected, achieving a genuine surprise assault.
Hmmm... Ok, that works.