I love how you "Imperial Homers" had to have your media and propaganda department create an animated video to boost morale.

(awesome video btw)

Disney, give this man a job, a team, and a slot on XD. WE NEED THIS SHOW/MOVIE

No Tie Fighter is going to take out 5-6 X-Wings in a dog fight. They rely heavily on numbers to win a dog fight and tend to take large casualties in the process. It hurts to watch in a way.

Did you even watch the video, or are you just using its very existence as an excuse to take a swipe at "Imperial Fanboys?"

The Imperial Fanboys have been swiping at me for awhile now and the Armada forums are almost all Imperial fans. So I am sticking up for the Rebels and speaking against Imperial propaganda.

(seriously though, the Imperial fans have almost taken over the Armada Forums and it is pretty bad here. Can't mention Rebels without having 5 others screaming their loyalty for the Empire. And yes I did watch the video, well done but not accuarate by Star Wars Canon.)

So when did you see a TIE fighter take down 5-6 X-Wings?

When didn't you see a swarm of TIE fighters take to the skies, with tremendous numerical superiority, and supported by having superior capital ships, as well (who, I'm sure you noticed, actually did the heavy lifting)?

When didn't you see those TIEs take heavy casualties?

What about this video flew so wildly in the face of canon -- canon perhaps modified by the fact it was inspired by the TIE Fighter video game, the source material it was clearly working hardest to stay true to -- that leaves you so very disgusted that it was so painful to watch?

Has it occurred to you that maybe Imperial fans "swiping" at you could be a self-fulfilling prophecy, when your posts seem so dead set on denigrating and alienating roughly half the fan base of games like X-Wing and Armada? Maybe you're just getting the fight you seem to be looking for, with comments like those.

No Tie Fighter is going to take out 5-6 X-Wings in a dog fight. They rely heavily on numbers to win a dog fight and tend to take large casualties in the process. It hurts to watch in a way.

Did you even watch the video, or are you just using its very existence as an excuse to take a swipe at "Imperial Fanboys?"

The Imperial Fanboys have been swiping at me for awhile now and the Armada forums are almost all Imperial fans. So I am sticking up for the Rebels and speaking against Imperial propaganda.

(seriously though, the Imperial fans have almost taken over the Armada Forums and it is pretty bad here. Can't mention Rebels without having 5 others screaming their loyalty for the Empire. And yes I did watch the video, well done but not accuarate by Star Wars Canon.)

So when did you see a TIE fighter take down 5-6 X-Wings?

When didn't you see a swarm of TIE fighters take to the skies, with tremendous numerical superiority, and supported by having superior capital ships, as well (who, I'm sure you noticed, actually did the heavy lifting)?

When didn't you see those TIEs take heavy casualties?

What about this video flew so wildly in the face of canon -- canon perhaps modified by the fact it was inspired by the TIE Fighter video game, the source material it was clearly working hardest to stay true to -- that leaves you so very disgusted that it was so painful to watch?

Again, good video, but not canon.

Think of Darth Vader, he is one of the best pilots the Galaxy has ever seen and all the special Tie pilots made him look like a punk. And in the Battle of Endor the Rebels survived longer against a much larger number of Capitals and the Rebel pilots were out numbered 10 to1. The rebel fleet survived only becuase of the sheer skill of the Rebel fighter pilots.

thanks for posting, I would love to see a film about the empire

The Tie Bomber takes out about 6 in one slavo, yet no one had shields to stop it. The Hero pilots each score numerous kills and the Capitals, like the CR90 that gets one shotted in the bridge by a laser, had no indications of there being shields.

Think of Darth Vader, he is one of the best pilots the Galaxy has ever seen and all the special Tie pilots made him look like a punk. And in the Battle of Endor the Rebels survived longer against a much larger number of Capitals and the Rebel pilots were out numbered 10 to1. The rebel fleet survived only becuase of the sheer skill of the Rebel fighter pilots.

A TIE bomber =/= a TIE fighter. Yes, the anime short film indulges in the classic anime "missile swarm" in order to let a bunch of ordnance be awesome for about ten seconds (and note, mind you, that one particularly skillful X-Wing pilot who's avoiding that wave of missiles). Considering that elsewhere in the film we saw that torpedoes/missiles were breaching shields right and left, what exactly is the problem?

Maybe we didn't see any shields on the Corvette at the end because turbolaser strikes destroyed them and left it vulnerable. If Arvel Crynd can crash into the Executor in RotJ (after the SSD lost shields due to a volley of conventional fire), why can't this Corvette have lost shields due to a volley of fire, prior to that TIE getting in a once-in-a-lifetime shot?

Have you never seen "hero" pilots score multiple kills? It takes five kills to be considered an ace, and Wookiepedia lists almost fifty characters with ace status (and quite a few of them are Imperials, or were trained at Imperial academies). So what's the problem there? How does it violate canon for some pilots to be better than others? Hell, one could argue that about half of Star Wars canon is predicated and entirely dependent on some pilots being better than others.

I'm sorry that the Rebels didn't win this Tie Fighter-inspired short film, but I don't see how that makes it break canon in any meaningful way. The Rebels won at Yavin and Endor, but that doesn't mean that any secondary media that shows Rebels losing is somehow flying in the face of canon material, does it? The Rebels clearly didn't win every time, or the opening crawl to this entire space epic we all love wouldn't have said "Rebel spaceships, striking from a hidden base, have won their first victory against the evil Galactic Empire." Heck, if the Rebels won every time -- by being ten times better pilots than any Imperial, somehow, and by shields making them invulnerable to conventional weaponry -- the movies wouldn't have much tension in them at all, would they (but to replace the missing tension, we'd see a lot more of Biggs and Porkins, I guess)?

It's interesting how in part of your rants against this short film you insist shields are important, but elsewhere you talk about the 'sheer skill' of Rebel pilots. Did Tycho, Han, Soontir Fel, and all the rest magically get ten times better as pilots when they took off their Imperial uniforms, or something? Why is it so hard for you to believe that Imperials can be good pilots, especially when you consider how many Rebel pilots were Imperially trained?

You clearly have some bone to pick with Imperial players, but ask yourself; would you be nit-picking this hard if this video showed the Rebels winning?

Because sorry, man, but it just feels like you're complaining to be complaining...or, rather, complaining in order to take shots at "Imperial fanboys," real, imagined, and conjured up by your own hostility.

I'm just picking on the Imperial players for giggles. They do it to me constantly so I thought I'd give them hell too. (It really is in good fun but watching Imperial player rush to the defense of the Empire any time some one knocks them is kind of funny and fun to poke at.) All I hear regularly is "terrorist" "scum" all day so I get to call you Imperialist scum too! It's only fair.

That's all.

With about 75% of the forums being Imperial fans and this video being so not what Star Wars is like I am finding the Imperial Fanboyism kind of disgusting right now.

I'm just picking on the Imperial players for giggles. They do it to me constantly so I thought I'd give them hell too. (It really is in good fun but watching Imperial player rush to the defense of the Empire any time some one knocks them is kind of funny and fun to poke at.)

That's all.

I find those two quotes difficult to square up with one another, but I'll take you at your word.

However, it's worth noting that the X-wing forum has at least one person who quite seriously believes that "Imperial homers" are ruining the game, and has expounded on that hypothesis at length and with vitriol. So it might help to keep your tone lighter if/when you're joking around...

With about 75% of the forums being Imperial fans and this video being so not what Star Wars is like I am finding the Imperial Fanboyism kind of disgusting right now.

I'm just picking on the Imperial players for giggles. They do it to me constantly so I thought I'd give them hell too. (It really is in good fun but watching Imperial player rush to the defense of the Empire any time some one knocks them is kind of funny and fun to poke at.)That's all.

I find those two quotes difficult to square up with one another, but I'll take you at your word.However, it's worth noting that the X-wing forum has at least one person who quite seriously believes that "Imperial homers" are ruining the game, and has expounded on that hypothesis at length and with vitriol. So it might help to keep your tone lighter if/when you're joking around...

I'm just picking on the Imperial players for giggles. They do it to me constantly so I thought I'd give them hell too. (It really is in good fun but watching Imperial player rush to the defense of the Empire any time some one knocks them is kind of funny and fun to poke at.) All I hear regularly is "terrorist" "scum" all day so I get to call you Imperialist scum too! It's only fair.

That's all.

I like the expression "Imperial Ultras". Or "Teaparty-Rebel" for the extremist alliance fanboys...!

I'm just picking on the Imperial players for giggles. They do it to me constantly so I thought I'd give them hell too. (It really is in good fun but watching Imperial player rush to the defense of the Empire any time some one knocks them is kind of funny and fun to poke at.) All I hear regularly is "terrorist" "scum" all day so I get to call you Imperialist scum too! It's only fair.

That's all.

I like the expression "Imperial Ultras". Or "Teaparty-Rebel" for the extremist alliance fanboys...!

I was referring to the Boston Tea Party, actually...!

Very nice as an anime piece but really not true to the spirit of the movies.

Very nice as an anime piece but really not true to the spirit of the movies.

True to the spirit of ESB, I'd think. Hoth wasn't entirely a curb stomp battle, but it was pretty close.

No Tie Fighter is going to take out 5-6 X-Wings in a dog fight. They rely heavily on numbers to win a dog fight and tend to take large casualties in the process. It hurts to watch in a way.

Did you even watch the video, or are you just using its very existence as an excuse to take a swipe at "Imperial Fanboys?"

The Imperial Fanboys have been swiping at me for awhile now and the Armada forums are almost all Imperial fans. So I am sticking up for the Rebels and speaking against Imperial propaganda.

(seriously though, the Imperial fans have almost taken over the Armada Forums and it is pretty bad here. Can't mention Rebels without having 5 others screaming their loyalty for the Empire. And yes I did watch the video, well done but not accuarate by Star Wars Canon.)

So when did you see a TIE fighter take down 5-6 X-Wings?

When didn't you see a swarm of TIE fighters take to the skies, with tremendous numerical superiority, and supported by having superior capital ships, as well (who, I'm sure you noticed, actually did the heavy lifting)?

When didn't you see those TIEs take heavy casualties?

What about this video flew so wildly in the face of canon -- canon perhaps modified by the fact it was inspired by the TIE Fighter video game, the source material it was clearly working hardest to stay true to -- that leaves you so very disgusted that it was so painful to watch?

The Tie Bomber takes out about 6 in one slavo, yet no one had shields to stop it. The Hero pilots each score numerous kills and the Capitals, like the CR90 that gets one shotted in the bridge by a laser, had no indications of there being shields.

Again, good video, but not canon.

Think of Darth Vader, he is one of the best pilots the Galaxy has ever seen and all the special Tie pilots made him look like a punk. And in the Battle of Endor the Rebels survived longer against a much larger number of Capitals and the Rebel pilots were out numbered 10 to1. The rebel fleet survived only becuase of the sheer skill of the Rebel fighter pilots.

Ah right, I remember why I feel bad about self identifying as a Star Wars fan

Ugh, but that was so cool. =(

The Bomber girl was pretty cool right?

With about 75% of the forums being Imperial fans and this video being so not what Star Wars is like I am finding the Imperial Fanboyism kind of disgusting right now.

The video was cool and the artist deserves some props for a good job. Does it portray Tie fighters well? No.

No Tie Fighter is going to take out 5-6 X-Wings in a dog fight. They rely heavily on numbers to win a dog fight and tend to take large casualties in the process. It hurts to watch in a way.

If you watch the actual movies (4-6) tie fighters hold their own against rebel x wings.

Most ships in this scene (rebel and empire) die from the first or second shot that lands on them.

Eight minutes in, Vader himself kills 3 ywings in less than a minute. each one gets one volley of fire into their "stabilized rear deflectors".

Clearly, in Episode 4, Tie Fighters are equal to, if not superior to, the rebel ships.

Of course, the (now) non-canon fan-fiction-y EU states otherwise.

Oh, I'm not sure the EU entirely says otherwise. Han Solo himself states something to the effect of "TIE pilots are very, very good, but that doesn't stop them from being very, very dead" due to them being deadly but made of glass. Most of the time when TIEs aren't much of a threat it's because you've got Rogue Squadron or some of the other Rebel aces shooting back at them.

The music is... it doesn't seem to fit. There's tons of fan made stuff that uses existing John Wiliams music. I'm wondering why he didn't use that.

Otherwise, I really liked it.

They have decent guns and can outmaneuver X Wings so i have no poblem with it.

Sometimes I'm like, "Wow, this is a really cool community."

Then there are times like now, where I'm just... I don't know, ashamed? Aghast?

It's just a little piece of art, enjoy it for what it is. Sure, the Imps come off looking cool but is that really the end of the world? The Imps are jerks, but it's fun to see both sides.

To the just flat out complainers: let's see your seven minute animated film. Then give us a day to pick it apart. Yeah, that's cool.

Ladies, gentlemen, fly casual. Or maybe grow the f up. Pick one and let's have fun, not be whiny little jerks.

I just noticed that the battle in this video takes place in the same nameless asteroid field that all of our X-Wing Miniatures battles seem to take place.

Very nice as an anime piece but really not true to the spirit of the movies.

True to the spirit of ESB, I'd think. Hoth wasn't entirely a curb stomp battle, but it was pretty close.

If the Imps had lost at least the Interdictor and the Rebels had mostly escaped I'd agree with you. Hoth was a long way from a curb stomp, Imperial losses in terms of man and hardwear were catastrophic for the amount of damage inflicted on the Alliance. The crippled ISD(s) alone represent a greater loss than all the Rebel casualties. Hoth was very much a Pyrrhic victory for the Empire.

The only thing that really bothered me was the Interdictor crew suddenly "reversing the polarity" on the gravity field and suddenly ALL the torpedoes miss. That's such a cop-out deus ex machina that's way overdone in movies and tv shows.

Also, such a move would've given a window of opportunity for the Rebel ships to make a micro-jump into hyperspace to escape.

It would've been more believable if some of the TIEs managed to shoot down some of the missiles but a few made it through but didn't cause enough damage to shut down the gravity well generators.

Well, she might have shot this and we could assume they all were at 1hp!

Overall I dig the video, finally something that shows imperials win. We get to read and hear that the stormtroopers are some of the best regular soldiers, that the imperial pilots are thoroughly trained and well-skilled, that Empire's military is effective and precise and yet shows for kids and 80% of crappy EU writers (yes, most of those books are terrible) tend to show them all as incompetent cartoonish goons that can't hit a thing to show how cool the rebel heroes were. Stupid plot armor.

I wish they would show more often that being the enemy of the Empire is life of constant fear and real danger just like it was for resistance and nazi forces. Most books and shows show the 'good guys' succeed time and time again and escape the silly imperials unharmed.

At least this short gives us the grasp of how would Soontir Fel and other named aces fly their ships to earn that status.

Ok im biased as im an imperial tie fighter pilot cos player but i thought it was a fun 7 minutes or so of clearly star wars goodness.

I dont see why people are so upset over a cartoon?

As for 'ties being too good'

well in the 'tie fighter' game its inspired by i'd regualry be able to take out multiple rebel ships in either a single tie fighter or a tie bomber (perhaps im just quite good at the game)

And in the board/minis game we all love it always seems in our games to be some nameless academy pilot who is the last ship on the board, thats always the ship that gets incredible rolls and takes out tons of ships while never getting hit. We even jokingly call any academy pilot left alive , against the odds taking out rebels with impunity when better ships have bitten the dust 'ensign jimmy' (i think in Wil Wheatons 'tabletop' the same thing happens in their game.. its the 'faceless' tie pilot who does really well )

But you know its a cartoon guys, lets not be mindlessly partisan about a made up universe.

Its just nice to see something done from the other sides perspective for once.

As a kid i used to love reading 'Sven Hassel' WWII novels because they were written from the perspective of a german infantry section. I'd grown up on a mind numbing diet of 'commando' and 'warlord' comics where the 'krauts' were defeated by a plucky ranger or royal marine who singlehandedly took out a nazi bunker complex... it was good to read something where the enemy were not totally incompetant morons.

Like others have said , if you *must* get het up about a cartoon then think of it fitting the narrative in that the imperials are *supposed* to be that good in the films, its actually laughable they often come across as incompetant.

Like kenobi says 'only stormtroopers are this precise' , then they fail to hit anything for three movies.

That sort of 'neutered' their fear level.

But on the flip side, when the six or so TIE fighters engage the falcon on the way back from the death star Leia notices they *let* the rebels escape and were not even trying to kill them, just trying to make it look like they were (sucks to be those pilots sacrificed and given orders to 'harass but not destroy the smugglers ship' though).

I think , and again we're giving too much weight to a fun cartoon, that the films show us *exceptional* rebel pilots whereas the majority are not as good as Imperial pilots and if they are they are empire trained.

Put it this way if the rebellion was able to pick and choose its 'trained' pilots they would not have given luke a chance to fly in the deathstar battle just because his mate says hes 'quite good'.

Essentially it would be like turning up at an air force base and saying 'can i fly a mission agianst ISIS in a warthog?, oh go on i've flown my dads microlight so your multibillion dollar plane will be fine with me. I know you dont know me or anything but my mate Dave saw me drop a rock on a goose while flying the microlight so he'll tell you i'm good'

( i realise they are probably not using A10s to engage ISIS but its just a refernce to an 'enemy' and an 'expensive plane')