I have two questions, i looked in the advanced tournament rules and could find no mention.

1.Is passing on your turn (not playing anything just going to the end step) concidered stalling?

2. How long does each player have to shuffle between rounds?

rulemonkey said:

1. Not at all. If a person draws up, and simply says "I pass my turn", that's totally within their right.

2. Something reasonable. A minute or two? If you feel the other player is trying to take too much time, call the judge. The judge can then determine if the person is taking a reasonable amount of time to shuffle. At Can Nats two years ago, my opponent won after I conceeded the first game. He then asked "How much time is left in the round?" To which he proceeded to start a "deep pile shuffle." Which he didn't do at the start of the match. He was doing it extremely slowly. I called the judge. The player was issued a warning for stalling, and we were given extra time at the end of the round.

At PotM I faced a Mignon who had too much of a wall of Good defense cards (3 mysterious stance, amy's, etc) and i couldnt get dmg thru. However he was 7 cards from milling himself. We passed back and forth (with him adding a card to momentum each turn) and after 4 turns he said it was a draw because after 4 rounds of no forms the game ends in a draw.

I said so i could of just used my ocladans to keep the game alive and decked him? He said yeah then promptly started shuffling.

IMO it was sort of bad sportsmanship but at the same time its my bad for not knowing the rules. I also lost a game in PotM due to decking myself off my opponents BRTs (he had 4 out for a while) while i had a destiny out. We werent modding the CC but were still drawing cards. In hindsight i realized that was wrong.

Live and learn, but curiosity got me now, I am pretty sure the AGR doesn't speak about tournaments but does that 4-pass rule exist?

Thanks

When did that 4 turn thing get passed? is it documented. This has happened to me before in tournament play against an attack free deck that only won by playing the card reversal. I wont against that deck by literally attack with a throw early on, doing a point of damage, and then refusing to play anything for the rest of the game. They ruled that when both players refuse to play for an amount of turns, which was arbitraly decided at the event by Dave at the time, the game win goes to the player who did the most damage, IE standard tie breaker rules, not a draw.

Just checked the old TR (v1.9) and there's no mention in there of a four-turn pass limit.

The 4 turn limit was passed eons ago.

However it was incorrectly called against Smazzy.

In that situation the game state was changing every turn.

It's a 4 turn pass with no change in game state. With Morrigan adding a card to her momentum an area of the game is changing, so it can't be called.

There *should* be full tournament floor rules released prior to worlds, where this will be documented.

it was mignon not morrigan

but yeah thats what i figured.

PotM was my first real tourney and my only losses were to Herr round 1 and Olexa final round (before top8) so i was ok with how i did. Had i managed to get another game against Olexa or not pull a draw at time in match2 i could of top 8'd.

There is always Gencon right (assuming i can make it)

Antigoth said:

AWESOME!