So in the MA area no one is willing to drop $100 to start playing the skirmish game. Does FFG plan to sell skirmish starters for less? If not, I am afraid this game is destined for storage.

By my understanding, the Twin Shadows expansion box will be around $40 and comes with additional figures and map tiles. If someone is looking only to skirmish, it might be a good place to start.

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2015/3/18/twin-shadows/

.....how many other FFG games cost as much if not more? Consider that this core set comes with a lot more than BSG or X-wing, comparatively. It's not 10 models and a rulebook.

Also, at the end of the day, $100 too much? $54.28 on amazon, new.

Han: 12 points $10

Chewie: 15 points $10

Elite Sab:7 points $15

Rebel Trooper: 6 points. $15

No tiles or dice or tokens and not a lot of command cards but yea is 40 points for $50

2 General Weiss $25 each built as AT-ST 28 points

1 IG-88 $10 12 points

lol.

40 points for $60

So in the MA area no one is willing to drop $100 to start playing the skirmish game. Does FFG plan to sell skirmish starters for less? If not, I am afraid this game is destined for storage.

Buy from Amazon for $67?

So in the MA area no one is willing to drop $100 to start playing the skirmish game. Does FFG plan to sell skirmish starters for less? If not, I am afraid this game is destined for storage.

I suppose it depends on your area, we have not had the same problem. $100 is a bit steep, but the game/models sell it easily.Our group is over 12 people already, with new people being added every week.

Also as many have mentioned, you can get it online cheaper if that is the biggest blockage.

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So in the MA area no one is willing to drop $100 to start playing the skirmish game. Does FFG plan to sell skirmish starters for less? If not, I am afraid this game is destined for storage.

I suppose it depends on your area, we have not had the same problem. $100 is a bit steep, but the game/models sell it easily.Our group is over 12 people already, with new people being added every week.

Also as many have mentioned, you can get it online cheaper if that is the biggest blockage.

This makes me sad...I invested the $100, brought it to stores in the area..they carry it... no one is biting.

You don't need 2 core sets to play skirmish.

You can play a 2-player skirmish game with a single box set. There are enough deployment cards and miniatures for a 40-point rebel squad, a 40-point imperial squad and enough command cards for both players. (There are even doubles of some of the unique command cards, so both sides can have them)

Also, for $70-$100, the startup cost for Imperial Assault is significantly less than 40K, Fantasy, Warmachine, Hordes, Infinity, Flames of War, Malifaux, Dust, etc, etc. I know some people who split the box, which cuts the cost by half or more, depending on who takes the tiles.

You don't need 2 core sets to play skirmish.

Yeah, if people are interested then there's no reason you can't provide some/most of the stuff. They could drop a few bucks say $50 or so and just buy the models they need if you're willing to loan out the command cards, tiles and such.

Do that for a bit and you may find that people are willing to buy their own core set.

Also, for $70-$100, the startup cost for Imperial Assault is significantly less than 40K, Fantasy, Warmachine, Hordes, Infinity, Flames of War, Malifaux, Dust, etc, etc.

Agreed, to buy my 1750 point Space Marine army again, would cost me $820.

If you run local events every week and charge 5-10 dollars should be able to win the ally villain packs.

People didnt have a problem getting into WOTC and that game was so much more. I don't think the 100 price point is that much. I would try and start running demos at the store and that should get you 2-4 players and a good start.

I payed $137 Cdn +tax.... and had no problem with the price (even though I knew I could drive 40 minues and get it or $94.

There is alot in the box, and I've never even taken the campaign stuff out of the box, I'm skirmish only.

In that box you can make 40 pt skirmish forces for all 3 factions, plenty of minis , a set of dice ($12 all by itself if bought seperately) and lots of other stuff... not sure how people plan to play skirmish game without at least one core set between them. You could simply buy expansion figure packs and a dice set... but that will cost more than a core set and you won't have anything to play on without the tiles. Plus, you guys plan to play skirmsh but without Luke, Vader, or stormtroopers.... seriously, you guys don't want stormtroopers?

You could wait for small box expansion but I would bet that those tiles will go with the tiles from the core so.....

If 3 guys split the box at $100, it would cost peanuts and everyone could have the start of a faction, then you each just buy expansions for your individual forces.

If this is still too expensive for you guys then wargaming in general is not for you guys... because IA is quite cheap to play comparatively, and is a great game with tons of buzz... believe me, the price point will not hurt this franchise, just like paying 15 bucks for a single tiny little x-wing hasn't stopped x-wing from being one of the most popular miniature games ever.

Seriously, if IA is too expensive for you, stick with a cheap boardgame.... of course many boardgames cost pretty close to $100 and give you nowhere near the value and re-playability that this has.....

It's a little steeper than some games, but nothing crazy for a gamer. Just try to get it going with a couple of people then hopefully, people will save up to get it. Especially once the OP becomes solid and interesting.

$110 gets you the core and an IG88. With this 3 different people have all the models and cards for a legal tournament skirmish list... that's 40 bucks for 40pts (even more for Imps and Rebs) and you can share the tiles and command cards if your budget is an issue.

So, explain again, how this is an expensive game? I really don't get it... and don't talk about cost per individual model, its irrelevant. Someone will say GW is cheaper per model, etc, but it will cost you 700-1000 bucks to make a good tournament sized list..... that is the cost of playing, not price per model, unless you are allowed to play a game with 5 space marines, don't thow that nonsense argumen around.

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Seriously, if IA is too expensive for you, stick with a cheap boardgame.... of course many boardgames cost pretty close to $100 and give you nowhere near the value and re-playability that this has.....

At first, I didn't agree with this when I read it because it sounded very, "If you don't like it, go somewhere else". However, after actually thinking about it I realized that what you said is exactly right.

Regardless of the value of the game, it is an expensive game. $100+ is definitely among the higher costs to get started in a game. Saying that X number of people could collectively 'go in' on a game and divide the cost by X and each pay equal parts - while possible - most likely makes up a very tiny fraction of total purchases. I know that when I bought the game, I didn't ask four of my friends if they were interested in equal shares of ownership of the game so that we could play Campaign.

It is a more expensive game that people who can afford it will REALLY enjoy. I know that I do.

I wasn't saying it to be an ass, I was being straight up... if its too much money for you to justify, buy a cheap boardgame... no expansions or extra money, just a regular all-in one box boardgame. My next point was that many of the really good boardgames are very expensive. I've payed 89 bucks for a limited edition of Axis and Allies not too long ago and what came in that box was nowhere near the value of IA core.

X-wing may have only cost 40 bucks for the core game but it was only 3 dinky little ships and you still needed to buy a bunch of stuff to be able to make a legal 100 pt list.... when it was all said and done, x-wing ended up being more expensive than IA since the IA core gives a least 3 different skirmish ready 40 pt lists... hell, the imps can field a wide variety of different skirmish lists with the core alone.

I don't doubt that 100 bucks is alot of money to many people, but you don't have to buy in on the first day. Save up, skip a few coffee runs, etc, and you'll be there before you know it. Hell, to go see a 3d movie will cost you 20 bucks for one ticket alone, plus probably another 15-20 for popcorn and a drink... for one person... for 2 measely hours of enjoyment, and thats if the movie doesn't suck lol.

Even for one person to buy the box, which most will, $100 isn't a big buy in considering it lets you build a bunch of tournament legal lists right off the bat without ever needed anything else.... and if the campaign interests you, thats a game that 5 different people can enjoy for years to come for the measely one time price of 100 bucks.

Again, I understand that just because I do pretty well in the money department doesn't mean everyone is sitting on disposable income.... but this is actually quite a decent value compared to other things that are fighting for your entertainment dollar...

Plus, it's friggin Star Wars! I'll gladly pay a little extra to relive my childhood and play in the star wars universe then play the exact same game except instead of Luke Skywalker and a lightsaber you have Charlie and his laser stick.

and don't talk about cost per individual model, its irrelevant.

That also depends on which model you're talking about. Looking at the current price of GW stuff, the Librarian in Terminator armor I had in my list is currently $39. That's for 1 model, that's also the price of a single Space Marine commander. So just those 2 models alone are $80...

If you look at the mini GW packs the Boyz and Space Marines you get 3 or 4 plastic models that you can't really change in any way. So they're closest to what you get with IA.

It's $14 for 3 or 4 models, compared to 3 rebel troopers for $15. So honestly it's not even like GW has a better cost per model.

But your larger point is correct, looking at it from the point of cost per model is a flawed argument and designed to make games like GW look reasonable.

$100+ is definitely among the higher costs to get started in a game.

That depends on. I'm not going to say $100 isn't a large chunk of money. But as far as starting in a game... That all depends.

For more traditional board games that may be a lot, I don't play those much myself so I'm not sure.

But for miniature war games? That's nothing, it's a rare game that you can build a tournament legal list for $100, not competitive, just legal, as in you'd be allowed to run it at one.

40k, WFB, Flames of War, Warmachine/Hordes, malifaux, Infinity, ect... All cost more, and in some cases 8 or more times more.

I agree with the points made by both Strombo and Vanor.

That being said, I also sympathize with the OP in that I've personally seen and heard of situations where the $125 (or more, here in Winnipeg) going rate for IA is simply too much sticker shock for some people. If the game were $75 I would bet that sales would double, at the very least. Having said that, I'm not trying to open an argument about value for dollar or what have you.

It takes the realization that games that feature miniatures are more expensive because of the increase in quality and production.

a lot of local stores do give 20% off that arent mom/papa shops. You can get the game online for around 70 dollars. If price is a problem talk with the owners if your a regular. Also a lot of shops have point systems.

I got about everything one of for around 150 total. Two of each of the sabs/Troopers because a tournament and a point system.

Think all the money in MTG you put down, this game is super cheap in comparison and at least you can pick and choose what you buy versus random packs.

Think all the money in MTG you put down, this game is super cheap in comparison and at least you can pick and choose what you buy versus random packs.

Only problem with the argument is that buying Magic is like playing the stock market / winning a mini lottery.

You can buy a box of Magic, get the right cards, sell / trade a few of them and have your box paid for. There's also a somewhat active secondary market for Magic... I hear that game is really catching on.

I would recommend another way of thinking when deciding whether a game is expensive or not.

1. How often do you get to play it?

2. How much time have you spent playing it (you can factor in all players here if you wish)?

I have played ONLY the campaign so far and I have spent several hours prepping the tokens/tiles and painting the minis. Currently my game has costed me less than and 1€/hr which is nothing. And it only gets "cheaper" everytime we play it.

If you play the campaign only one time with 1+4 players you have paid less than 1€/hr for the enjoyment.

It is expensive if you only buy it only for the models or never get past the tutorial mission or the first game session.

Just another way to look at the big picture. (Yes the initial investment is a bit steep.)

I would recommend another way of thinking when deciding whether a game is expensive or not.

1. How often do you get to play it?

2. How much time have you spent playing it (you can factor in all players here if you wish)?

I have played ONLY the campaign so far and I have spent several hours prepping the tokens/tiles and painting the minis. Currently my game has costed me less than and 1€/hr which is nothing. And it only gets "cheaper" everytime we play it.

If you play the campaign only one time with 1+4 players you have paid less than 1€/hr for the enjoyment.

It is expensive if you only buy it only for the models or never get past the tutorial mission or the first game session.

Just another way to look at the big picture. (Yes the initial investment is a bit steep.)

THIS I absolutely agree with and it's usually how I value my expenditures, whether it's gaming or anything else.

How much did I pay vs how much usage do I get out of it. This game is looking to be a *very* good value so far.

I agree that for some people, this could be seen as a steep investment. But I have to agree with Krankenstein that it really is about how many hours of entertainment you get out of it for the money that you are spending. If you really need a good deal on this, you can still pick it up on Amazon for about $70.

My personal results so far:

Campaign hours played: 15 (just my hours, does not count the 4-6 other players in the campaign)

Skirmish hours played: 5 (again, not counting my opponent's hours. but we have to assume he bought his own copy)

Model painting: 20+ hours (just a guess, probably more).

Roughly $2.50 an hour for this. Not much entertainment you can buy for $2.50 and hour....