I know it's been a big debate on where in the hierarchy of things that accuracy corrector kicks in, and was wondering if someone had been able to get the devs to say something on it.

Not as far as I know.

The rules do seem to indicate it triggers in the "compare results" phase, but it just feels so wrong.

Cue RKelly. My mind's telling me no / But my body, my body's telling me yes

I still don't understand how it could possibly be outside of the earlier "Attacker manipulates Attack Dice" step.

Given that we've seen this raged across several topics thus far, I think I can confidently say that the issue exists i a superposition, in which it is simultaneously white/gold and blue/black, until a ruling is made.

After that, disbelief will follow from the losing party.

No. I submitted this question but never got an answer. I will not start another debate here. But maybe I will submit the question again. Even though I don't have any doubts how the card works.

No. I submitted this question but never got an answer. I will not start another debate here. But maybe I will submit the question again. Even though I don't have any doubts how the card works.

It's probably worth submitting again, now that it's been officially released. My opinion is it's a dice modification step. But there's clearly two camps on this one. It would be nice to get a firm answer. If you do submit it, try asking if there's a new FAQ coming out anytime soon as well.

Has anyone ever come up with a reasonable scenario where it matters?

Yes. A B-Wing with Autblaster Cannon rolling Critical Hit results, that are not cancelled by your defence dice. Do you spend evade tokens or not?

According to an email recieved by someone in a Facebook group I belong to, it happens in the modify attack dice step, even though the rules say otherwise. I did not recieve this email so I can't vouch for its authenticity but it does seem like a weird thing to post and lie about.

"You would roll 0 dice on your next attack, thanks to Blinded Pilot. Then you could add results to your roll, with Accuracy Corrector or Adv. Targeting Computer. Or, if you have Gunner, you can miss with your 0 dice attack and then trigger Gunner to attack again.

To address the easy question: You can only add 2 hits if you cancel all of your dice results. The intent there should be pretty apparent.

The difficult question is when the dice cancellation is supposed to take effect. It is supposed to occur in the “Modify Attack Dice” step, and the card will be errata’d in the next FAQ to make that clear.

Cheers,

Alex Davy

Creative Content Developer

Fantasy Flight Games

[email protected]"

According to an email recieved by someone in a Facebook group I belong to, it happens in the modify attack dice step, even though the rules say otherwise. I did not recieve this email so I can't vouch for its authenticity but it does seem like a weird thing to post and lie about.

"You would roll 0 dice on your next attack, thanks to Blinded Pilot. Then you could add results to your roll, with Accuracy Corrector or Adv. Targeting Computer. Or, if you have Gunner, you can miss with your 0 dice attack and then trigger Gunner to attack again.

To address the easy question: You can only add 2 hits if you cancel all of your dice results. The intent there should be pretty apparent.

The difficult question is when the dice cancellation is supposed to take effect. It is supposed to occur in the “Modify Attack Dice” step, and the card will be errata’d in the next FAQ to make that clear.

Cheers,

Alex Davy

Creative Content Developer

Fantasy Flight Games

[email protected]"

:D

I did get a response from Alex on this one, but the response was basically that they hadn't come to a final decision but that they were leaning towards ruling it happening during the modify attack dice step - and told me to keep an eye out for the new FAQ. Didn't bother sharing it since there was no decisive answer.

If the mail is authentic (I fully believe that it is, I just found it hard to figure out how much of that was directly quoted from the mail.) then the fact that they want to Eratta the card means that as it stands the card happens in step 6 as some of us have argued. AD obviously wants it to work differently, but that was never apparent from the rules and card text. Now the real question is: When will we get a new FAQ.

When will we get a new FAQ.

Based on an email from Alex on an unrelated question that came out of the same Facebook group, we should be getting a new FAQ very soon.

Here's the bit of the email that has me thinking a new FAQ is going to hit soon:

"That is definitely the intent of the original rule, and so I’m quite comfortable issuing an FAQ to correct this. It’s too late to get it into the very next FAQ (which should be out any day now), but I’ll make sure it gets onto my list of things to amend."

Not terribly surprising on any front. Although we've been hearing "any day now" from various sources for like three weeks

Has anyone ever come up with a reasonable scenario where it matters?

You realize that in asking that question, it flies in the face of virtually all rules lawyering, right? It doesn't actually *when* it will matter, only *if* it *could* matter.

Not as far as I know.

The rules do seem to indicate it triggers in the "compare results" phase, but it just feels so wrong.

Cue RKelly. My mind's telling me no / But my body, my body's telling me yes

I'm obviously overlooking something here as I can't see where the justification for this happening at the "compare results" phase is.

I'm not saying there is no justification, just that I can't spot it..

Can someone explain this to me please?

I'm looking at the card text:

"When attacking, you may cancel all of your dice results. Then you may add 2 hit results to your roll. Your dice cannot be modified again this attack."

Typically any modification of the attack by the attacker is going to happen at step 3 - attacker modifies attack dice. Plus the card also states that your dice cannot be modified again - why would the card bother to state this if the opportunity to modify dice had already passed?

This is where I post "I-told-you-so", right?

Not as far as I know.

The rules do seem to indicate it triggers in the "compare results" phase, but it just feels so wrong.

Cue RKelly. My mind's telling me no / But my body, my body's telling me yes

I'm obviously overlooking something here as I can't see where the justification for this happening at the "compare results" phase is.

I'm not saying there is no justification, just that I can't spot it..

Can someone explain this to me please?

I'm looking at the card text:

"When attacking, you may cancel all of your dice results. Then you may add 2 hit results to your roll. Your dice cannot be modified again this attack."

Typically any modification of the attack by the attacker is going to happen at step 3 - attacker modifies attack dice. Plus the card also states that your dice cannot be modified again - why would the card bother to state this if the opportunity to modify dice had already passed?

Rule book p12:

All abilities that allow players to cancel dice must be resolved at the start of the “Compare Results” step.

That is pretty much what the argument for it happening in step 7 was/is.

Rule book p12:

All abilities that allow players to cancel dice must be resolved at the start of the “Compare Results” step.

That is pretty much what the argument for it happening in step 7 was/is.

Gotcha thanks!

Rumoured in another thread where Alex Davy actually replied the card will get an errata because they figured this out and that was not what they wanted. But that really nails it that RAW it happens in step 7. But an errata is in route.

Our group asked and received this answer:

To address the easy question: You can only add 2 hits if you cancel all of your dice results. The intent there should be pretty apparent.

The difficult question is when the dice cancellation is supposed to take effect. It is supposed to occur in the “Modify Attack Dice” step, and the card will be errata’d in the next FAQ to make that clear.

Cheers,
Alex Davy
Creative Content Developer
Fantasy Flight Games
[email protected]

Rules Question:
I have 2 questions regarding the system upgrade Accuracy Corrector ("When attacking, you may cancel all of your dice results. Then, you may add 2 (hit) results to your roll. Your dice may not be modified again during this attack."):

1) When does the card text take effect? The final clause and the usual process for attacks would imply Step 3 of the Combat Phase (Modify Attack Dice), but on page 12 of the rulebook, the very last sentence in the Canceling Dice section states, "All abilities that allow players to cancel dice must be resolved at the start of the 'Compare Results' step [step 6]." So does AC take effect during Step 3 or at the start of Step 6 (namely *after* the defense dice have been rolled and modified)?

2) Both the die cancellation and the following then clause use the word "may". Normal understanding of this would state that that means that you must do the first item (canceling all of your dice) to do the second item (adding 2 hits), but the R7-T1 ruling works against this precedent by allowing you to execute the then clause which includes a "may" if you did not execute the item prior (which also includes a "may"). Are you only able to add 2 hits if you cancelled all other dice first?

Thank you.

Rule book p12:

All abilities that allow players to cancel dice must be resolved at the start of the “Compare Results” step.

That is pretty much what the argument for it happening in step 7 6 was/is.

Gotcha thanks!

On the same page in the blue sidebar under Modifying Dice Results it shows that you add, change or reroll as a modification. So that's the argument for step 3 because you're adding results, which also make the last line of the card make more sense, if you've got something that turns hits into crits, it's going to be ineffective with AC.

We all agree that adding, changing and re-rolling are dice modifications. But the rules does not limit dice modification to step 3. Step 3 is where they happen if not stated otherwise, like on HLC (and currently AC, until errataed). The last sentence has already been rendered superfluous by the latest FAQ, that states that added results can't be further modified.

new faq

Accuracy Corrector
Accuracy Corrector must be used during the “Modify
Attack Dice” step. After cancelling your dice results,
you may choose not to add 2 results. This still
counts as an attack. Dice results added by Accuracy
Corrector may not be modified again, but may be
cancelled (for example, by the effect of Ion Cannon).
Accuracy Corrector can be used to add 2 results
even if you have the Blinded Pilot Damage card and are
rolling no attack dice.

Perhaps you should also quote the Errata for the card to put the whole discussion into context.

I was under the impression that only the results were changed ie the successful hits of an ion attack were now changed to 2 hits and that the effect of firing the ion cannon is that the success ( the 2 hit dice from the autocorrect) adds the ion token due to the type of weapon fired.

I saw the accuracy corrector being able to have 2 hits (not able to be cancelled) with the weapon effect of an added ion token for those applied successes.

Thought sequence:

Roll 3 dice for ion cannon, any hit (from the initial dice roll or focus) generates the ion token - the accuracy corrector changes the applied hits ie 1 for the ion cannon to two leaving two damage applied with the residual ion token. On the flip side of that - if no hits or focus are rolled initially only 2 damage can be applied from the modification.

Forgive any ignorance only had models 2 weeks and played 2 games

I was under the impression that only the results were changed ie the successful hits of an ion attack were now changed to 2 hits and that the effect of firing the ion cannon is that the success ( the 2 hit dice from the autocorrect) adds the ion token due to the type of weapon fired.

I saw the accuracy corrector being able to have 2 hits (not able to be cancelled) with the weapon effect of an added ion token for those applied successes.

Thought sequence:

Roll 3 dice for ion cannon, any hit (from the initial dice roll or focus) generates the ion token - the accuracy corrector changes the applied hits ie 1 for the ion cannon to two leaving two damage applied with the residual ion token. On the flip side of that - if no hits or focus are rolled initially only 2 damage can be applied from the modification.

Forgive any ignorance only had models 2 weeks and played 2 games

No, Accuracy Corrector is used before the Defender cancels hits and crits and the Ion Cannon effect only happens if the attack hits. You would use the Accuracy Corrector to help get the hit which triggers the Ion Cannon effect not to increase the damage done by the attack.