Ships back into canon - CloakShape, V-Wing and Eta-2 Actis

By Uber12, in X-Wing

Pretty much every prequel combat scene was pretty and well choreographed but utterly soulless, people who say the lightsaber fights are better in the prequels utterly miss what the OT fights are representative of.

Such an astute comment. The best lightsaber fights, in order are:

Luke vs Vader RotJ

Luke vs Vader ESB

Obi Wan vs Vader ANH

Everything else goes here, but I guess Phantom Menace is next because by the time you get to Obi Wan vs Anakin you've had so many lightsaber fights they're not special anymore. Nothing kills the cool factor of the Jedi like a thousand computer animated Jedi fighting together.

bbbut the only firespray action in the whole heptrilogy...

Fair, but it wasn't exactly shown off in the best way. I'm just saying I could write a much better script for a fighter piloting scene in about 5 minutes than was produced for the prequels.

I'd read it.

Who says B-Wings were rare and expensive?

Oh wait, the stuff in Legends. That's hardly worth the paper it's printed on.

Pretty much every prequel combat scene was pretty and well choreographed but utterly soulless, people who say the lightsaber fights are better in the prequels utterly miss what the OT fights are representative of.

Such an astute comment. The best lightsaber fights, in order are:

Luke vs Vader RotJ

Luke vs Vader ESB

Obi Wan vs Vader ANH

Everything else goes here, but I guess Phantom Menace is next because by the time you get to Obi Wan vs Anakin you've had so many lightsaber fights they're not special anymore. Nothing kills the cool factor of the Jedi like a thousand computer animated Jedi fighting together.

I'd swap ESB and RotJ, but otherwise I completely agree with this. Although I only bump ESB up because I like that it keeps changing locations.

Who says B-Wings were rare and expensive?

Oh wait, the stuff in Legends. That's hardly worth the paper it's printed on.

Tell me widely distributed commercial B-wings doesn't feel... wrong.

More likely it's an authorial screwup that never got picked up on.

A commercial b-wing makes more sense than the plucky underdog rebels completely designing a new bomber, while being on the move since Hoth, but hey, let's keep the shoehorning of every character with dialog in the movies doing everything important in the galaxy far, far away.

A commercial b-wing makes more sense

"Commander, Corporation 1274 is selling arms to the Rebellion!"

"live and let live bro its a free market i forbid you to send any star destroyers to turn their factories to glass"

A commercial b-wing makes more sense than the plucky underdog rebels completely designing a new bomber,

The Verpine designed it, hence why it's such an oddball.

Edited by TIE Pilot

All this love for the Kimo and Duny. But come on, the Krayt is where it's at.

Edited by DariusAPB

All this love for the Kimo and Duny. but come on, the Krayt is where it's at.

The Krayt is okay. The Dunelizard is the best. I'm surprised I like it more than the Scyk to be honest, as I'm an A-wing/TIE interceptor girl at heart. A real fighter pilot just wants speed, maneuverability, and then more speed.

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Some pictures Ive made of the Cloakshape for my custom ships :D :
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Even a title for the "Predator" the Cloakshape fighter with Cloaking system
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A cloaking Cloakshape! Wow! That would be super interesting. I wonder if FFG would do a low-maneuverability, high hull ship, with cloaking and moderate weapons (or customizable weapons).

Also, stunning images, Mel. I'm super impressed.

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Some of my best kills were dunelizards. I never flew the JSF, as it was considered dishonourable. Y-wing 2 seater was my ship of choice, along with A-wing, RGI, ARC and Firespray (depending on my mood and which toon) but the Krayt's sheer firepower was a goto ship for PVE. The fact it packed a turret for ease of training up a rookie...

Duny I found too big a target for too small a firepower.

It just didn't take off for me, not like the Black sun ships, not like the hvy syck not like the Krayt.

Some of my best kills were dunelizards. I never flew the JSF, as it was considered dishonourable. Y-wing 2 seater was my ship of choice, along with A-wing, RGI, ARC and Firespray (depending on my mood and which toon) but the Krayt's sheer firepower was a goto ship for PVE. The fact it packed a turret for ease of training up a rookie...

Duny I found too big a target for too small a firepower.

It just didn't take off for me, not like the Black sun ships, not like the hvy syck not like the Krayt.

I actually never played jump to light speed. I'm not sure what the mechanics of it were. I will say that if speed is modeled properly, and mass is modeled properly, a slow turning, slow accelerating ship like the Krayt will get its brains gunned out by something like an A-wing or a Scyk or a Dunelizard. Just the nature of the beast.

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That's the thing though, the Krayt wasn't that slow - also turret.

Duny while good looking lacked anything special. it had the firepower and if i recall mass of an A-wing, without the agility and size benefits.

In JTL those size benefits were absolutely huge to non-missile dogfights.

edit I take it back, mass was much higher allowing more powerful engines and cannons. Still not enough to get over the hit box though, maybe if it had 2 missile mounts..

As a side note(and another edit) I'm confused. If you've never played JTL why the love of the duny? It's never appeared anywhere else as far as I know?

Edited by DariusAPB

It looks like a first generation jet fighter. As a girl I loved the He-162, before I learned to hate anything German between 1933 and 1945. The He-162 reminds me of the Dunelizard:

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As a kid it was really great because it was designed for Hitler Youth as young as 11 or 12 to fly. Anakin Skywalker anyone? That's why it was called the Volksjager, the people's hunter. Though some people also called it the Salamander. Salamander ----> Dunelizard. Anyway, it never was flown by kids because it turned out that first generation jets with an engine stuck on top of them are tough to fly. Go figure.

Also Boeing's entry into the F-35 program was Dunelizard-esque. The test pilots called it the Penguin, I think.

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Fair answer, I can see how they look alike.

As for Germany 33-45, I think it's fair to appreciate design and engineering aesthetics without going into the obvious human rights issues for the time. Heck most star wars Imperial stuff is based on Nazi Germany.

Right, but when I was between the ages of 8 and 16, I'd fly for the Luftwaffe in flight sims. Then, that stopped. Now, Luftwhiners are my mortal enemies as I fly in defense of Mother Russia. Or for the British, or the Americans.

I generally fly British for obvious reasons. This said I always thought there was a certain allure to flying as the 'baddies'.

We are the baddies. In everything.

I loved from time to time jumping in a BF-109K and making things explode with 30mm.

We are the baddies. In everything.

The fact that Imperials have British accents is definitely another reason, but for me it's the aesthetics.

Sure, Imperials in Star Wars have an absolute litany of warcrimes under their belts, but studying history - 'good guys' like the US, UK etc aren't exactly hands clean. When I look at the Empire I see it as good guys, bad guys - but generally soldiers doing a job. When I run my D20 games I try to do star wars with a Tom Clancy spin.

Playing Russians instead of Germans because of Human rights issues as caused by the govt... a whole huge can of dune-esque sand worms could be opened with that one.

Umm, they are movie ships.

What movie do you speak of?

Their is some trash that make's the old droid series look great but only 3 films that I can think of....

Selective memory is a great thing :P